The true mechanics of growth and the correct thinking for growth.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TeoDeles

People are posting exactly what they were doing and they did everything correct according the BS extending program protocols of extending companies and they didn t gain...
When someone say " I am doing 8h of extending at 900grams" then we know EXACTLY what he is doing.
When someone say " I started hanging with 2lbs and after X months I am now at 14Lbs hanging 6X20 mins" then we know exactly what he is doing.

Most PEers are body builders.....
You see BB and PE are going together because the mindset of a BBer is to get better and better and develop his body.
Yet we see numerous of BBers with perfect sleep and nutrition and lifestyle , to be a ZERO PE gainer.

---

I generally agree that there's no reason to distrust what people say they're doing here, so we do have data to go on, but assuming because someone is a bodybuilder, for example, that their nutrition and other lifestyle factors are optimized for PE gains doesn't seem like a given to me.

In your initial post, you said:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TeoDeles

You see the dick is a living tool.... its not a dead rubber that the more you stretch it , the more stretched out it becomes....This living tool has its own protection mechanism and when it is being abused by overtraining it becomes stiff and contracted in order to survive.
When you are working out your dick more than it can accept it goes back to this stiff protection and gains can not manifest. This is the reason why the older members descovered the Pis.
So if your dick becomes stiff (less stretchable) is when the gains can not happen and in a lot of cases gains are being lost.

---

This actually puts us in more agreement than you might think. In the remodeling hypothesis, mechanical stress changes the makeup of the tissue over time. It's a living process with living tissue. If too much stress is applied, injury can happen. However, another consequence of too much stress is a microscopic thickening. This thickening occurs because the living organ is trying to make itself stronger to resist the stress. This works against gains because the tissue is actively trying to resist getting longer (and ultimately breaking) under these conditions. This is exactly the protective process you describe.

My current sense is that there is a sweet spot that generates remodeling over time while also not causing so much stress that the penis becomes too fibrous to produce gains. This is another reason breaks are important. As this article explains, the remodeling process is actually separate from acute inflammation and the generation of scar tissue. Without sufficient time off, all you're doing is generating microscopic collagen fibers without encouraging the remodeling process (which happens after the stress is removed).

Here is another excellent article about the mechanics of connective tissues.

For those interested in a deeper dive, go to your favorite search engine and type in "The Long Game: Learning with Longerstretch". It's a post on another site, but it's chock full of links and great information.

you know your stuff, madyogi!
Very coherent statement.

Here's a short video on Collagen remodeling at the micro level.

https://youtu.be/atalSlZSuf8

Existing fibers are reoriented in line with stress vectors and new fibers are produced through fibrillogenesis, and all the while old fibers (and those not cleanly aligned with the reorientation) degrade over time.

I am buying into the op's main theory and I am going to start implementing it with the jelq. When I first got back into the jelq months ago, I would be popping semi-erections everywhere. Then, I got carried away and overtrained, and I lost those spontaneous erections. I am going to start limiting myself and training light, and see where it goes.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by watersnake

I am buying into the op's main theory and I am going to start implementing it with the jelq. When I first got back into the jelq months ago, I would be popping semi-erections everywhere. Then, I got carried away and overtrained, and I lost those spontaneous erections. I am going to start limiting myself and training light, and see where it goes.

---

My suggestion is to do some mins of light manual stretching( stretching slowly until mfsl and just follow it without further tension for 1 min sets) right before jelqing.
By this way when you start your jelqing you will have a lot longer- stretchier dick and it will be more effective.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by madyogi

Here's a short video on Collagen remodeling at the micro level.

https://youtu.be/atalSlZSuf8

Existing fibers are reoriented in line with stress vectors and new fibers are produced through fibrillogenesis, and all the while old fibers (and those not cleanly aligned with the reorientation) degrade over time.

---

I’ve seen this somewhere before... haha

I’ve used the percent load calculation to track my progress. In my opinion it is really really useful. Look up the “learning with longerstretch” thread, immense amounts of good info. (it’s on one of the other forums)

So lets keep this thread rolling...
In the other forum there was an old member called Marinera.
He gained very good and he made tons of posts in his era and he was and still is a very respected member.

He gained 1 inch in the begining and he LOST it(-0,2 more...so he became even shorter than his pre PE dick) from overtraining.

I can t post the thread here ( I think its agenst forum rules)
So search in the other big forum the thread "Help!Explain This,Please" and the Ops name is Marinera

Also read the posts from SparkyX and Gprent in the thread

Gprent post was:

"""I seems pretty obvious that when you added extra you had the trouble. Go back to what works. Go back to your original routine.
More and more evidence keeps on negating the common held belief that more is better. Find what works and stick with it. Then the only thing you have to continually add is patience.""""

SparkyX post was:

"""The trick is to fall in love with GETTING BIGGER…don’t fall in love with PE! If you want to get bigger, you exercise the discipline needed to DO THE RIGHT THING…not just doing MORE!!!Remember the whole point is getting bigger, so more isn’t always better, sometime SAME is better or LESS can be better. Shoot for growth, not spending more and more time with greater and greater force.
Remember, one of the Golden Rules here is, if you are making good progress….DON’T CHANGE WHAT YOU ARE DOING UNTIL PROGRESS STOPS!!!
Then, consider a decon break before considering increase force/time. The higher the forces, the greater the tissue toughening…so try to get the most gains with the least force. Time is a different factor, so consider more time at the SAME force, or a decon break BEFORE you go for more force.""""

I agree 100%. Follow the MED principle; Minimum Effective Dose. Trying to gain too fast has too many possibilities for negative side effects and injury.

We should be looking at PE from a standpoint of coaxing a compliant response instead of trying to use brute force and ending up with a defensive one.

So, by this no gain is permanent? If so, I'm done... My wife though my dick was big prior to starting.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kegel

So, by this no gain is permanent? If so, I'm done... My wife though my dick was big prior to starting.

---

Your pre pe size is not permanent in the sense hormone changes and/or lack of use can shrink it.