The true mechanics of growth and the correct thinking for growth.

[Big Al]

I gained nothing with jelqing like I am milking an egg. I gained solid 0.4" of girth after I ditched the low intensity exercises and switched to advanced ones.

The initial lack of force recommended for exercises is for the purposes of safety and adaptation. As time progresses and your conditioning improves, it's expected you'll increase intensity (force) over time as well as reps.

[DickerSchwanz]

So stretching without a warm up can require less tension to hit the plastic deformation range? But that range is also shorter so you can push into the breaking point and suffer injury or severe enough damage that the body rebuilds it thicker or with cross-linking to strengthen in tissue?

So when starting out you want low tension to see where your 'plastic range' is. If you go too hard you will cause excessive damage and the body corresponds by thickening or toughening(cross linking?) make any future progress even more difficult?

Yes optimally you would reach just beyond the elastic range and then keep that state established.
But as the tissue changes the load needed changes too.
I think all gaining via PE will have some hardened cross linked etc. tissue as you can never hit all penis "molecules"/parts with the same perfect intensity/load.

That`s why PI's help to gauge where you are.
I know when I did too much and when I did surely not enough. Everything inbetween is hard to gauge and very individual and needs experience.

Starting out you need to get the whole Penis used to it. All weak links have to get used to it. blood vessels etc.
It's difficult to gain cause the penis can take a lot of stretch within it's elastic range. But the elasticity isn`t going back to 0 once you let go of the tension. That will take minutes up to days.. So if you do PE again it adds on.

That's why I would always increase time or repetitions before increasing load. It takes me 1-4 days to get into my best "gaining" state where it feels like I reached plasticity. Then I hold that state for some days and then I have to pause or cut back. Rarely I feel like I can hit it in 1 exercise.
Worst for me is to do 1 day on 2 day off etc. Cause chances are the 1 day on was not enough to make a difference vs. normal elasticity of the penis tissue.
Still takes weeks and months to see a minimal difference in size even if done daily good work.
Heat helps most times.

terminology.

Yeah!

[BigO]

I don t agree with that simply because there is the protective stiff mech of the dick that will not allow for this MORE stretched out state to happen in order to become permanent as you say as you do it for a long time.
Working UNDER the protective mech ( not triggeruing it) is the only thing that can create gains.

You must stretch or hang enough to induce micro tears to achieve plastic deformation which indeed can and does happen

[BigO]

Very interesing post and with great detailed explanation.And I agree to all.
I have to say that I had misunderstood the definition of "plastic deformation".
Now that you explained what it is(in your previous post) I know it exist on the penis enlargement.
In my definition was a stretched out state ... which from what you explaind its the same as the plastic deformation.
We were just using different terminology.

Yes, maybe we are experiencing anguage barriers, glad you understand what he means.

[kenj1947]

I feel weird discussing this issue. I'm one of the anecdotal cases. When I started PE--jelqing--I gained 1.5" in length and .75" in girth. I stopped when my wife said she was uncomfortable during sex. I don't know how it happened--does not matter to me.

As a kid (I'm 73 now) I can recall National Geographic pictures of some African tribes that had 2-3-4 inch disks in their lips or ears. They usually said that the parents or elders started small and increased the size of the disks as they grew. So, why not work on a penis? Slow increases in size due to almost continual stretching should seem to work. The anatomy of the lips and ears is unquestionably different than a dick, but does the principle apply?

[BundleUp]

I feel weird discussing this issue. I'm one of the anecdotal cases. When I started PE--jelqing--I gained 1.5" in length and .75" in girth. I stopped when my wife said she was uncomfortable during sex. I don't know how it happened--does not matter to me.

As a kid (I'm 73 now) I can recall National Geographic pictures of some African tribes that had 2-3-4 inch disks in their lips or ears. They usually said that the parents or elders started small and increased the size of the disks as they grew. So, why not work on a penis? Slow increases in size due to almost continual stretching should seem to work. The anatomy of the lips and ears is unquestionably different than a dick, but does the principle apply?

The tissues of the penis are significantly tougher, but yes, the same principle applies. The longer you can keep it in an elongated state, the better you'll gain. As long as you're applying sufficient force to get things moving, that is, which is the hard part.

[TeoDeles]

When I started PE--jelqing--I gained 1.5" in length and .75" in girth. I stopped when my wife said she was uncomfortable during sex. I don't know how it happened--does not matter to me.

Were the gains permanent?
I have gained 1 inch of girth from jelqing but its not permanent.
I have to work it at least 1on/1off of 15 mins in order to maintain it.
When I am taking 1 week off most of the girth is lost but in 2 weeks of 2on/1off its coming back.

[kenj1947]

Were the gains permanent?
I have gained 1 inch of girth from jelqing but its not permanent.
I have to work it at least 1on/1off of 15 mins in order to maintain it.
When I am taking 1 week off most of the girth is lost but in 2 weeks of 2on/1off its coming back.

During my first two-year PE effort many years ago, I grew from 6.5" x 5" to 8" x 5.75". I stayed at that size until ED struck a few years later.

After a serious case of ED, I shrank back from 8" x 5.75" to 6.5" x 5+" (using a VED w/construction ring to measure). Since Feb this year and covid, I restarted trying to overcome ED. I've tried many things but won't bore you with details. I was given an air pump with an acoustic wave treatment program and decided to restart PE. I'm using the VED (I hate constriction rings), the air pump, a Bathmate, jelqing, stretching, etc., to get ready for an implant since absolutely nothing (even penile injections) has gotten rid of ED. Last night I measured 7.25" x 6 (construction ring aided) after my 35-minute warm up/VED/jelq/stretch workout. Before my implant in the second quarter next year, I would like to get to 7.75 x 6.25.

[im6foot4andblack]

From my experience as a tight cut guy the only thing that’s changed was the Looseness of the skin on my penis more skin able to stretch the more of the penis to come out. I’m a pretty easy gainer but I would of had a 13 inch dick if I didn’t have a tight circumcision. It’s all about what’s available on your body. More loose the skin the more that is able to stretched on to your penis.

[TeoDeles]

From my experience as a tight cut guy the only thing that’s changed was the Looseness of the skin on my penis more skin able to stretch the more of the penis to come out. I’m a pretty easy gainer but I would of had a 13 inch dick if I didn’t have a tight circumcision. It’s all about what’s available on your body. More loose the skin the more that is able to stretched on to your penis.

I really don t think so... because we are having a lot of uncut guys without gains.
Skin is not able to be a limiting factor of growth