The true mechanics of growth and the correct thinking for growth.

[Azmike]

Agree. I wear my innerwear everyday when I am not doing PE.

QUOTE=TeoDeles;1651259]It means that through the day your flaccid dick shoud be the opposite of turtled.[/QUOTE]

[BundleUp]

This one is a good start: https://www.physio-pedia.com/Tendon_...%20deformation.

I can't seem to find the studies I read for piezoelectric properties. They've apparently been buried under a bunch of pseudo-science garbage from various "therapy" gurus claiming it to be the end-all of fascia work. But basically, the way it was presented was that the piezoelectric charge, in response to tension, makes the contractile fibers in connective tissue fire independently of the neurological system.

I'll have to try to find the thixotropy articles later

[Azmike]

Look forward to reviewing the links. Thanks for contributing.

Tons. I'll get some links together and post them

[BundleUp]

Here's a good one on long-duration stretching. They were comparing control, non-diathermy, and diathermy groups, but the results of only 14 10-minute stretch treatments applied over three weeks are, although limited, evidence of what I'm saying. With or without heat, it resulted in a significant increase in ROM.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art.../#!po=0.806452

[Azmike]

Interesting read. Thank you

Here's a good one on long-duration stretching. They were comparing control, non-diathermy, and diathermy groups, but the results of only 14 10-minute stretch treatments applied over three weeks are, although limited, evidence of what I'm saying. With or without heat, it resulted in a significant increase in ROM.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art.../#!po=0.806452

[BundleUp]

Man, trying to dig back through studies to find relevant information reminds me how much I hate the current state of science. I wish we could do some controlled experiments of our own and really get to the bottom of what works and what doesn't specifically for PE. I have some good ideas for experiments, we just have such a limited number of test subjects. If I could get at least 24 volunteers, we could get down to the meat-n-taters of this stuff and weed out the garbage once and for all.

[BigO]

I think the OP has brought up some very good points, I also think BundleUp has as well. The problem is that There are not enough medical studies on penis enlargement but there should be and that is a shame.

Personally, I believe both cell volume will increase from forced induction of blood as well as plastic deformation and the repair and/or increase of cells caused by traction.

The fact is that most, 90% or more will gain their biggest gains in the beginning. No body, and I mean nobody will actually gain an inch of new dick in a short period of time. It is EQ gains, but a gain is a gain never the less.

I can almost guarantee that anyone that sees rapid gains at the start of PE has actually just improved their EQ. I am not saying that isn't a gain. It is, if it measures bigger it is a gain.

What I have noticed is that many gain right away ad then they stop or slow down significantly. This is where the real work comes in.

I gained 1/2 of an inch initially and I gained it in 30 days, but had I stopped, I would have lost that gain. After I slowed down or we should say, as my gains came to a screeching halt, I went to hanging after several months with zero gains.

I hung and pretty much only hung and went on to gain another 3/4s of an inch but it took a long time. No forced blood, very little jelquing and very little, if any, girth work at all during that time period.

I guess what I am babbling on about is that I believe to an extent, that both TeoDeles and BundleUp make interesting points.

I believe in cell division as in when we suffer micro tears we will build new cells and/or our cells will repair themselves as well as blood flow will engorge and stretch cells to add girth.

There is no amount of length gained by pushing blood alone once newb gains have stopped from blood lone, I believe that the length gains from jelquing have more to do with the continued stresses applied to the tunica, septum and ligaments in an outward direction but after all, we are all just talking about theories for the most part.

I see this thread as a very good one for a valuable discussion but without linked evidence and medical studies, it will never be more than a theory.

[BigO]

Everything I stated above is also just based on theory for the record and I am not intending to discredit anyone's gains. After all the only dick I have tugged on and seen up close is my own!

[watersnake]

I think this theory falls into the "less is more" modicum. I wonder though, if you have an exercise that you know is productive; then do that exercise to excess- to the point of overtraining and beyond- then you take an extended rest. Would you gain from all that excess effort during the long rest, or would the overtraining be lost in time with no gains?

[TeoDeles]

Thanks for the good words and the replies.So let s continue the theories...
In my understanding newby gains is because of a more stretchable dick creation by the exercises and not because of better EQ.
In order to have EQ gains of 1/2 inch the person has to had EQ of like 70% and with the newbie program to go at 100% EQ.
But this is not the case because a lot are having 100% EQ before starting PE and they have the so called newbie gains after all.
On the other hand... we read about a lot of cases that the starting of PE did gave them better EQ but there were no newbie gains at all.( thats my case too... lets say from 90% I went to 100%)
This means that the blood flow increased but it could NOT expand the dick longer and/or thicker simply because it did not get any stretchier by the exercises... so IMO better EQ is not the case of the newbie gains.
IMO newbie gains is just a more stretchable dick that can expand more in length and/or girth and the gains on the ruler are there.
And finaly again I have to say that in my theory ALL the gains in PE are a result of a stretched out dick that can expand easier and more in length and girth.
What are we doing when we are jelqing? We are milking the sarrounding layers of the dick and they becomes more stretched out...
This stretched out state on the sarrounding layers means that the blood that will enter the dick (no matter the EQ) it will be able to expand it more in girth.
The best way to describe it is like thinking of a ballon...
If you take a ballon and stretch it repeatedly in length and girth , then when you blow air in it, it will be able to expand EASIER and MORE.
And THIS IS WHY A BETTER EQ IS HAPPENING with CORRECT PE(not overtraining) because the blood that is entering the dick it can expand the dick EASIER and MORE.
And this is why when a person is overtraining and he sparks the protection mechanism of the dick that creates a STIFF TURTLED state , gains can not happen and also gains can be lost.
My result of my theory didn t come into my mind by luck...
It came after reading almost all cases of gainers and non gainers on both forums and reading out carefully what they were doing when they gained and what they were doing when they were not and then the Pis got a true meaning.
Also in my case in 3 months I gained 0,5 cm of length and this period I had a HUGE FLACCID that was INCREADIBLY SOFT and it was almost all day full in blood.
But then I got into overtraining and the stiffness surviving mechanism got sparked and for the next 2 years !!!! not only I had zero gains but when I over did it , I lost my gains!
Then I looked carefully into my log and saw what gave me length... I got back into it and not only I gained back my gains but I gained more.

Some veterans were saying in their sig. " Undertraining is giving slow gains but overtraining is giving zero gains". This should be the moto of PE.

IMO progressions in the PE program should be done ONLY when the currect intensity and volume of the program that did gave gains... stopped giving gains for a period of 2 months....
So if 2 more months of the gaining program did not get any more results... then a TINY progression should be done and watch out what happens.
I was a very fast and very big girth gainer simply because I was not overtraining my dick with my girth program but I thought I was a non gainer in length because I was overtraining my dick in my length program.
When I lowered the intensity and volume of my length program , I became a fast length gainer... think about that...
The second period that I gained it was once again with the same dick indications...
Huge and soft flaccid that was very easy to be stretched and it was having bigger MFSL.
The MFSL is the only thing we have got as an indication of EL growth...
The MFSL not only should be getting longer.... but the how fast it can go into the MFSL is also of huge importance.
The MFSL should be measured ONLY under a CERTRAIN tension and not by stretching by the hand.
You can see accurately if you have gained or lost MFSL only if you are using the SAME TENSION for measuring and this is why I measure mine ONLY inside the extender that I am always using the same (600gr) of tension.I am measuring the SCREW LENGTH at the end of the day at my last extending session.
As I said the MFSL is not only about HOW LONG it can go but also HOW FAST it can go there...
ONLY when the MFSL can go FAST in its longer , its when teh gains in EL show up.
So for example measure the MFSL under a CERTAIN tension and under a CETRAIN TIME. For exampe 600grams after 1 h.
When the gains in my MFSL are happening it goes ALWAYS hand in hand with a FASTER elongation... this means that I am unscewing the screw a lot more frequent in order to follow the tension marking of my extender.
Slower elongation ALWAYS means LESS MFSL.
Just take care your dick to NOT become stiffer from overtraining .... always care your dick to be SOFT and LONG and THICK almost all day long.
Find out the correct intensity and volume that creates this positive state the gains will come.
IMO there are no non gainers.... there are only people that were overtraining and this is why they did not gain.

An other side note is that this stiffer state that can not give gains is the PF overtension...
The PF overtension is creating the so called hard flaccid... so in this state you can t make it stretched out therfore no gains can manifest at all.
Take care not to overtrain and always have a balanced PF and the gains has not reason not to happen.