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- 11-28-2020 #21
Though grammar is not the strong suit in this thread it does seem that everyone agrees that overtraining is bad. But what is that exactly? I am just a week or so away from 6 months on my phallosan only. I have had moderate tension for about 10 hours a day, 6 days a week. My EQ has suffered for sure, quite possibly from the stretching (though at 57 years old I guess that happens as well). I don't think my gains have been great, though there is a little (and definitely not a result of a better EQ for sure) but I will be making a new measurement soon and decide on the next schedule of months. If over training is considered heavy tugging or pressure, I have avoided that. But if it is in time spent, I have certainly been overtraining as I have kept my daily hours pretty high (again, with low-mod tension 90% of the time).
8/10/97
BPEL 6 3/4''
EG 5 (mid shaft)
11/4/97
BPEL 7 1/8"
EG 5 1/4"
Restarted 8/4/09
BPEL 7 1/4"
EG 5 1/4"
11/10/09
BPEL 7 1/4+"
NPBEL 6.6
EG 5 1/4"
BPFS 7 3/4"
(After restart 3 months on Phallosan only) 8/11/20
BPEL 7.5
NBEL 6.75
EG ?
Long term goal
BPEL 8"
EG 6
- 11-28-2020 #22
English is not my language sorry about that I am doing the best I can.
Yes overtraining can happen by big volume too...
As an example ...
My sweet spot of growth is 3 to 4h in the extender... ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS when I was going for more hours , my MFSL was becoming shorter and my dick flaccid was suffering from stiffness.
The sweet spot is different from person to person though. Its all about how sensitive the protective mechanism is.
- 11-28-2020 #23
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Teo, I believe your assessment of newbie gains is correct. Better EQ plus more pliable tissues = quick gains.
Past that, we're relying on activation of myoblasts and fibroblasts to form new cells, which is a much slower process. EQ can drop drastically during this phase because the formation of new smooth muscle cells can't keep up with the deformation of the collagenous tissue structures, and therefore can't cover the "holes" to fully block blood outflow. You just simply have to wait for the smooth muscle to catch up before EQ can improve again.
I think we could come up with a routine that keeps things in balance for optimal gains on all fronts. Maybe it would be a periodized structure, maybe a pulsed structure, or it could just be a constant that is a mix of length, girth, and EQ (which I doubt, because "spork" programs seldom yield optimal gains for anything). I'm partial to pulse structures because I've designed several workout programs on this template, and they've all worked better than standard programs.
- 11-28-2020 #24
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I think the phallosan only part is what's getting you. Adding some EQ work is very likely to help. Once you get that part sorted out, adding some manual stretches before the phallosan would most likely help with gains. Again, the most of the top gainers have used a mix of manual stretching and traction.
- 11-28-2020 #25
I have addressed some of your statements this way because I hate the multi-quote feature.
You make very good points, but remember that it is only a theory at best and until proven it will be nothing more than a theory but these are the conversations that we need to have.
If it seems as if I am attacking your theory, I am not, I only aim to show you that for every point you have there are many other points that are worth considering that you must understand. There are many other theories that people have applied, and some with amazing success.
There is much more to growing than this theory is addressingLast edited by BigO; 11-28-2020 at 03:32 PM.
Going an inch and 1/2 deeper than before
- 11-28-2020 #26
Thanks for the reply.
IMO all the studies that you are reading has no application on the dick .
These studies are accurate on muscles and ligaments and bones but not on something a lot more complex like the dick that includes the tunica and chambers and what else...
A lot of people had the thinking of " I will work hard on it and I don t care that my EQ dropped because later on I ll have the gains and I ll regain my EQ by lighting the program" only to find out that not only they didn t gain anything but they also lost gains...( I was one of these cases).
When you are losing EQ from PE training is because you created a stiffness from overtraining and the things in there have become so stiff that the blood can not enter easy so it can t expand it.
After all EQ means blood entering and expansion. (assuming that the testosterone and the hormons that take place in the bllod flow are OK).
As the 1st post of mine is saying.... penis enlagement is only about a stertched out state of the dick parts ( tunica-smooth muscle-tissues and stuff) that is resulting in an easier and bigger expansion when the blood is entering during erection so the bigger size shows up.
People also think that the key is keeping the dick in a light stretched state after the actual PE work out in order for the hypothetical microtears to remain opened and fill the gaps by new meet...
This simply is not true because many many members have gained 1 or more inches of length without this method...
They were just doing their actual PE session of the day and letting the dick freely.
The only thing that I can accept and agree with a use of an ADS for some hours after the PE workout is that this light ADS tension is preventing the OVERAL stiffness because its like doing a nice warm down and not because it keeps the microtears opend for filling purposes,
- 11-28-2020 #27
@Big O
I am not quoteing your post because it wil take lot of space.
We do NOT have studies on PE. So the only study that we are able to have is the PRACTICAL and EMPIRICAL cases of the forum members+ our own.
So as you also said.... until then we will be making THEORIES... and its better than nothing.
As for what you said about members that were busting their dicks and reported big gains.... I will never believe in these claims simply because this is the internet and any sick minded person can enter a forum and post whatever he likes.
I have read members claiming that gained 2 inches by doing 5 to 7Hgs air pumping for 3h per day !!!!!!!
Only a person outside PE could believe claims like these...
If some one do 3h of pumping this not only will result in no gains ... but it will result in a "dead forever dick".
I ve read posts of people claiming that were extending with a strap for 16h oer day and taking pain killers to reduce the pain and before sleep they were doing hard jelqing and manual stretching and they also gained 2+ inches.... Again these BS are not believable by a person that practices PE.
I am smart enough to identily genuine posts so these were the ones that I took into considereation before making my theories.
When a person is complaining about no gains whis what he is doing... he can t be lying...
When a person is saying that after lowering the program he finally gained ... he can t be lying
The lies are always when a person exagurates on the method or on the gains.
We all know that skipping training days or just petting your dick will not lead in any gains.... but this is something that all know so there was no need to be mentioned.
What they don t know... and this is why this thread is made... is that overtraining lead also to no gains.
IF my theory was wrong then the MORE IS MORE approach would work on anybody and the only people that would not gain would be the people that was not trying enough.
The ONLY way to justify WHY overtraining is leading to no gains is because it cancels out the stretched out state of a gaining dick.
If the gains were not about a stretched out dick then there wiuld be no overtraining and no gains.
Simple as that.
The dick is an increadible stretchy part of the body but it needs strategy in order to ALLOW to become stretchier.
If you drop the strategy and go for more more more training it fights back by trying to survive in order not to be damaged.
What I just said is what PE is all about.
So until real studies will came into a light and cancel my theory ... I am holding a strong stance on it and not changing my theory that is based on real human beings that succeded or failed.
- 11-28-2020 #28
@Big O I forgot to cover this one:
You said
"Many do jelques and squeezes for a long time with no gains in girth"
Yes I know...and the reason is undertraining or overtraining or not proper technique.
I had jelqed 3-4 times in my life before and never had any gains...
But in my last attemt of PE by my jelqing technique I have gained 1 inch in girth...
We are speaking about the SAME dick (mine) and a change in the technique took me from zero to 100
I was jelqing by the forums technique of 3 secs with medium intensity and zero girth.
I started jelqing with 7 to 10 secs strokes with an intensity of milking an egg and be carefull not to brake it and I gained 1 inch girth.
There are no methods that doesn t work...
Thera re only intensities and volums and techniques that doesn t work.
Also I had manual stretch in the past along with jelqing and no length gains.
I was using the classic forum instructions of 30 secs stretch with medium instenisty .
Then after reading a person post of manual stretching in the other forum I followed what he did...
2 minutes per direction and an intensity that was just static at my MFSL and I gained 6mm in 6 weeks.Last edited by TeoDeles; 11-28-2020 at 04:24 PM.
- 11-28-2020 #29
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While I agree with some of what you post, some of it is way off base. The assertion that the penis will not grow new tissue would be a physiological anomaly that has never been seen before. There's even a traction procedure that will lengthen bone by causing new tissue to grow in response to stretch stimulus.
The body responds to stimulus. That's a universal fact. If you intermittently cut off blood flow to a body part, the body will respond by growing new and bigger vessels. If you get fat, the body will respond by creating more skin (and when you lose the fat, the skin stays). It just takes finding the right stimulus to get things to grow.
And yes, I know that the studies I posted aren't specifically about the penis. But they do apply to the tissues that its made of. Type 1 collagen doesn't know whether it's in your dick or your ankle (or in a petri dish). It just does what it does, and the body puts it there TO DO what it does.
- 11-28-2020 #30
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