The true mechanics of growth and the correct thinking for growth.

[BigO]

This is the problem you have with your theory, go back and read what your opening of your last post says.

In a fancy way you are saying I claimed people busting their dicks make big gains when in reality all I have done was make points that show your theory has some merits and in some area it may not be accurate or the end all be all of PE.

Some gain easy, some have to do a lot more work and unfortunately some wil never gain, doesnt mean they cant but many dont.

I dont really care what you think or what stance you wish to make, your closed off to anything but your own theory, that is how your replies are coming across.

I've worked hard, busted my dick and gained an inch and 1 half in length and 1/2 of an inch of girth and never once did I apply any theory close to yours.

I applied the stretch it longer with heavier shit theory after newbie gains stopped working and it paid off with another inch, so yes, working it longer and harder does indeed pay off for many.

For many, less is not more and never will be but for some it works.

You say gains of 2 inches are not believable, I gained an inch and a half and will gain another 1/2 inch so when that happens would you not believe me?

You are speaking in absolutes, your theory made good sense in the beginning but your follow up remarks have kind of put a damper on it.

Your unwillingness to entertain ideas that go against your theory will hinder you in the long run

I did not intend an argument so just go on with your theory, and best of luck.

I happen to find it flawed in many ways but as I said before, we all have our own theories and experiences, all I did was countersome of your theory points with a different perspective, sorry if that offended you.

There are many theories written by those that have much more PE knowledge than you.

Your theory has great points and as all theories, it has some flaws too.

Since your theory is the end all be all of theories, what gains has it provided you. I am curious;

I do know of several guys that have gained well with only hanging but I suppose you cant allow yourself to believe that, that would be crazy and an internet lie now, wouldn't it.

[BigO]

@Big O I forgot to cover this one:

You said
"Many do jelques and squeezes for a long time with no gains in girth"

Yes I know...and the reason is undertraining or overtraining or not proper technique.
I had jelqed 3-4 times in my life before and never had any gains...
But in my last attemt of PE by my jelqing technique I have gained 1 inch in girth...
We are speaking about the SAME dick (mine) and a change in the technique took me from zero to 100

I was jelqing by the forums technique of 3 secs with medium intensity and zero girth.
I started jelqing with 7 to 10 secs strokes with an intensity of milking an egg and be carefull not to brake it and I gained 1 inch girth.

There are no methods that doesn t work...
Thera re only intensities and volums and techniques that doesn t work.

Also I had manual stretch in the past along with jelqing and no length gains.
I was using the classic forum instructions of 30 secs stretch with medium instenisty .
Then after reading a person post of manual stretching in the other forum I followed what he did...
2 minutes per direction and an intensity that was just static at my MFSL and I gained 6mm in 6 weeks.

Doesn't mean it will be the same for everyone, what did that translate into for BPEL gains?

[BigO]

While I agree with some of what you post, some of it is way off base. The assertion that the penis will not grow new tissue would be a physiological anomaly that has never been seen before. There's even a traction procedure that will lengthen bone by causing new tissue to grow in response to stretch stimulus.

The body responds to stimulus. That's a universal fact. If you intermittently cut off blood flow to a body part, the body will respond by growing new and bigger vessels. If you get fat, the body will respond by creating more skin (and when you lose the fat, the skin stays). It just takes finding the right stimulus to get things to grow.

And yes, I know that the studies I posted aren't specifically about the penis. But they do apply to the tissues that its made of. Type 1 collagen doesn't know whether it's in your dick or your ankle (or in a petri dish). It just does what it does, and the body puts it there TO DO what it does.

This is a researched fact

[BigO]

ToeDeles,

I dont think your theory is total garbage, I am willing to discuss it more, just open your mind to other theories.

There isn't one that is the answer, but rather a solid comprehension of many theories and their application.

I still believe you have made some very sold points

[TeoDeles]

@ Big O

You are getting offencive and angre without reason. I can assure you about that. You are misunderstanding my words in some things.

You said that my theory will stop my gains at some point...
Well if that was true... then the more is more approach that I used for a total of 2 years straight would have yeld gains... right?
Well as I said it did not give any gains to me..... I had gains in the begining with the less is more , then I went to the more is more with no gains for 2 straight years and also lost the gains I had made in the begining... and then went back to the less is more and not only gained what I missed but made it double.

The question that you ask about how much I have gained is silly... simply because I had spend most of my PE time on the more is more and lost a lot of time( I have already mentioned it here so your question is not accurate)...
So if you speak about how much I gained with my theory of less is more when I was applying it is 0.5 inch in 4 months( because the total amount of time I have spent in the less is more theory is only 4 months out of a total 2,5 years and some more months).

0,5 inch of length in 4 months is not slow... in fact its very fast... BUT the thing that YOU should focus is not this... the thing that u should focus is that 2 years on the more is more closed entirely my gains.... even my girth sufferd with some losses.

As for my girth gains that are impressive because I was always using a less is more approach is 1 inch in about 6 months of LESS IS MORE approach.
While hardcore pumpers and hardcore clampers can t gain what I gained by just milking mu dick with a soft pleasant intensity.

I answered your question about how much I gained with the less is more just because u asked for it...
But this was competely irrelevant with what I am trying ti prove and help ppl in this thread...

And to answer your questions about HOW some people are gaining with hardcore methods is just because their personal dick protective responce of stiffness is less sensitive.

You also misunderstood the thing I said about gains and how much I believe them...
I never said I don t lebieve that some one gaines 1,5inches..... what I don t belive is if he said that he gained it by pulling his dick with a truck or hanging 15 Kgs or pumping 3h or extending 30 h per day.

Anyways.... you are angry for no reason...
ALL this thread is about is that GAINS IS ALL ABOUT A STRETCHED OUT STATE of the dick and that obvertraining is resulting in the exact opposite.
Now how much is overtraining .... it depends on the dick. Others are more sensitive others not so much....

[TeoDeles]

Doesn't mean it will be the same for everyone, what did that translate into for BPEL gains?

The 6mm in 6 weeks is EL gains.... sorry I didn t made this clear.
WHen I speak about gains measurements I always mean EL.

[BundleUp]

Tissue is the tip of the iceberg when we are speaking about the dick...
There are a lot more parts that if they don t grow.... the tissues and the skin will not change anything.

That's like saying "ice is just the tip of the iceberg". No, it's the whole iceberg. Sure, there may be a seal or penguin frozen in it here or there, but the ice is determining feature of the iceberg, just as collagenous tissues are the determining feature of the dick. What do you think you're referring to when you claim it's only getting stretched out?

[TeoDeles]

That's like saying "ice is just the tip of the iceberg". No, it's the whole iceberg. Sure, there may be a seal or penguin frozen in it here or there, but the ice is determining feature of the iceberg, just as collagenous tissues are the determining feature of the dick. What do you think you're referring to when you claim it's only getting stretched out?

I never had the mood to read studies of the kind you read simply because if they had a successful aplication on the dick gains then everyone would be a big gainer because these studies that you have read have been posted lots of times in both PE forums...
So the entire PE programs would have changed years ago ... but they didnt change...

-Does your studies refer what is TUNICA made of? Does these studies say HOW to lengthen it with the best possible way?
-Does the ear lobe has a protective mechanism of creating stiffness and contraction when you are stretching it more than it can handle? No it doesn t.
-Does the ear or the bone has a PF that when you are over stretching it is getting overtensed and close the blood supply and create stiffness and is leaving you with an unstretchable ear or bone?No they don t.
So the dick is a completely different animal with completely different complex mechanisms(than an ear or a bone or whatever) and this is why these studies that you are reading are irrelevant with PE.
If these studies could have a successful application on the PE then urologistis and science would approve PE as a real thing.
PE is a dark underground thing.... and all WE can do is decode the success with our experimentation.( By OUR I mean practicioners all over the planet).

[BundleUp]

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The tunica albuginea is the fibrous envelope that extends the length of the corpora cavernosa penis (containing erectile tissue) and corpus spongiosum penis (containing the male urethra). It is a bi-layered structure that includes an outer longitudinal layer and an inner circular layer.[1] It consists of approximately 5% elastin, with the remainder mostly consisting of collagen.

So like I said, collagenous tissue defines the structure. By the way, all of the other fascial tissues in the penis are very similar, and behave much the same way, although they are thinner and easier to deform.

[BundleUp]

And like I said, collagen doesn't know or care whether it's in your dick or your ankle. It's gonna behave the same way. There's no need to get upset over this stuff, and none of us are the ultimate authority on the best way to go about this to achieve the best gains without injury. We're all here for the same reason.