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Cool, I do my stretching routine based on Marinera froom thunders manual guide, I stretch to my fsl hold it and when I feel it more relaxed I pull a little harder if my dick allows, still didn't implemented the fulcrums. I try to hold my stretchs 10 mins or more, doing Btcs sideways in my bed helps to keep my dick warm (kyrpa on thunders says that heat helps and I follow his tips, keeping my dick between my legs makes it really stretchable, Iam not reaching the 38° to 43°degree range to heat up my collagen, but it defenetly puts my dick comfortable and warm XD).
I defenetly already saw decent gains.
What do you do in your routine? I personally do the stretches and after I get erect for about 10 to 20mins, 6on 1.off,or just by the feeling of my dick.

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Originally Posted by BundleUp

I agree with everything you said here. However, I will counter with my own experience:

In the past 7 months, I've gained almost 3/4" with my method of manual stretching only. I have to be stealthy, so I don't have the benefit of traction. But I definitely monitor turtling.

Its possible that you were doing too much stretching during those two years, which caused a constant state of turtling, which was counteracting your gains. It's my opinion that if you had dialed in your stretching routine to just a little less than what would cause turtling, and then added light traction to the mix, you would have been gaining the entire time.

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Cool, I do my stretching routine based on Marinera froom thunders manual guide, I stretch to my fsl hold it and when I feel it more relaxed I pull a little harder if my dick allows, still didn't implemented the fulcrums. I try to hold my stretchs 10 mins or more, doing Btcs sideways in my bed helps to keep my dick warm (kyrpa on thunders says that heat helps and I follow his tips, keeping my dick between my legs makes it really stretchable, Iam not reaching the 38° to 43°degree range to heat up my collagen, but it defenetly puts my dick comfortable and warm XD).
I defenetly already saw decent gains.
What do you do in your routine? I personally do the stretches and after I get erect for about 10 to 20mins, 6on 1.off,or just by the feeling of my dick.

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Originally Posted by TeoDeles

This is exactly what I am saying but without the need of added light traction after the actual manual workout...
I gained 6mm in 6 weeks by doing ultra light manual stretching ( just keep the stretch for 2 mins completely STATIC in the length of the MFSL without any more force) for a total of 30 to 35 mins session and then using no traction at all.
In my case the added traction that you say was always leading me in overtraining and a stiff turtled flaccid.
In my case its EITHER the manual stretching I said EITHER 3 to 4 h of extender . Either of these 2 methods have to be done 2on/1off or 3on/1off-2on/1off.
In general my dick has proven over and over that 3 days in a row its the max it can handle without stiffness... the 4th day should always be a REST.
And after like 2-3 weeks I am throwing 2 rest days in a row.

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This is all interesting and I admit you having that long period of "no gain" to compare to a short period of "great gain" is a nice way to find what works for you.

I have what appears to be a little gain (less than half inch) in 6 months (I measure for the first time in a week or so to get exact) and have been in the Phallosan 10 hours a day on average, 6 days a week the whole time. I feel if .5 inches or more was reached in length that this seems to be at least a good approach as possibly an inch in a year. Though I feel (more just guessing) that since the initial .25 inches there has been a stall. I also think my EQ has been greatly diminished as possibly over stretching it (not in tension but in duration).

I will re-evaluate soon to be able to comment better but I am trying to understand what you felt was working and not working for you. It seems you think for you that:

BAD: HARD pulling every day/LOW pulling everyday but in LONG hours

GOOD: Low pulling (ie: extender) for short periods (4 hours), 2-3 days with a day of rest.

Is that right? In other words for you to be effective it was just a few hours a day in an extender with just enough force to hold the penis taut (I am not always sure what you mean when you write "stiff flaccid" as that seems an oxymoron since flaccid is soft).

But I have also read in your post what I interpret as allowing the penis to "turtle" or "not be in a stretched state" was "bad" regarding the added growth. So from that it seems more hours held in an extender would be better (4 hours a day means that 20 hours a day it is not stretched).


I am testing out the idea of low-moderate pulling for long hours (10 or so a day) is the most effective or not. If I seem to have hit a wall or my EQ does not return soon enough I will maybe try several months (after a 2 week break) to see if only 4 hours works better. But I feel no pain or soreness either so am just giving this more a chance before switching up again.

TeoDeles, can you please tell me how to do this routine? I dont understand a lot because i dont speak english well, can you write me the routine so I can understand easy, for example

First streching (in what direction how long)
Than jelq (how long in what direction)

Thank you, I love your theory

@Squid
If you do an extensive research like I have done on extender guys you will see that most of the failed cases were the ones that were doing 8h+.
And the most successfull ones were the ones that were doing 3 to 6h with a gentle intensity that was never made their dick feel any fatigue.
Its not only the big intensity that can spark the stiffness mech of the dick but its also the big volume.

As for your question about how a flaccid dick can be stiff.....I really don t know why you have a question like that.
A flaccid dick can be in a state of soooo soft and big like a melted rubber BUT it can also be in a state of a little stiff sucker that is CONTRACTED aka TURTLED.

@Justin This is not the thread to speak about that...as for my jelqing tech you can read it in my signature link.

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Originally Posted by TeoDeles

@Squid
If you do an extensive research like I have done on extender guys you will see that most of the failed cases were the ones that were doing 8h+.
And the most successfull ones were the ones that were doing 3 to 6h with a gentle intensity that was never made their dick feel any fatigue.
Its not only the big intensity that can spark the stiffness mech of the dick but its also the big volume.

As for your question about how a flaccid dick can be stiff.....I really don t know why you have a question like that.
A flaccid dick can be in a state of soooo soft and big like a melted rubber BUT it can also be in a state of a little stiff sucker that is CONTRACTED aka TURTLED.

@Justin This is not the thread to speak about that...as for my jelqing tech you can read it in my signature link.

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Can you just tell me how many minutes to do streching and how long jelq? I only trust you

What worked for me is 30 mins static light stretching and 15 to 20 mins light jelq

That's surely one part of it that you described well.
1on1off routines fit what you describe.

Everyday intense but measured intensity without getting into trauma territory but pushing the limits will create plastic deformation.
If the elasticity of the tissues is increased via a PE exercise, and isn`t allowed to revert to 0 of the elastic curve, then you work with a higher baseline elasticity with every further exercise you do.
You will reach plastic deformity.

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Originally Posted by Kolejohn

Cool, I do my stretching routine based on Marinera froom thunders manual guide, I stretch to my fsl hold it and when I feel it more relaxed I pull a little harder if my dick allows, still didn't implemented the fulcrums. I try to hold my stretchs 10 mins or more, doing Btcs sideways in my bed helps to keep my dick warm (kyrpa on thunders says that heat helps and I follow his tips, keeping my dick between my legs makes it really stretchable, Iam not reaching the 38° to 43°degree range to heat up my collagen, but it defenetly puts my dick comfortable and warm XD).
I defenetly already saw decent gains.
What do you do in your routine? I personally do the stretches and after I get erect for about 10 to 20mins, 6on 1.off,or just by the feeling of my dick.

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I'm currently doing six different manual stretches: lightly bundled under the leg stretch on each side, bundled fulcrum stretch toward each hip, and so- called "mandingo stretches" in each direction. I do each stretch for 3-5 minutes, and repeat the sequence. Then I wear a jury-rigged ads for about an hour, but only for stretching the skin (I've gained almost an inch total without the skin stretching to match.) I also recently added IC kegel work, and I jelq when i can.

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Originally Posted by Squid

Though grammar is not the strong suit in this thread it does seem that everyone agrees that overtraining is bad. But what is that exactly? I am just a week or so away from 6 months on my phallosan only. I have had moderate tension for about 10 hours a day, 6 days a week. My EQ has suffered for sure, quite possibly from the stretching (though at 57 years old I guess that happens as well). I don't think my gains have been great, though there is a little (and definitely not a result of a better EQ for sure) but I will be making a new measurement soon and decide on the next schedule of months. If over training is considered heavy tugging or pressure, I have avoided that. But if it is in time spent, I have certainly been overtraining as I have kept my daily hours pretty high (again, with low-mod tension 90% of the time).

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A slight amount of controlled overtraining can be beneficial. A good example of this is during the last week of a training cycle. This is where you want to force a plateau of sorts by hitting near maximum tolerances with your training. This will ensure the upcoming week of rest will be earned- and it's not unusual to note "rebound gains" after a full week of deep recuperation.