The true mechanics of growth and the correct thinking for growth.

[Big Al]

I agree with this based upon my experience. Is this a summary of the “creep” theory?

Please see: Penis Creep & Its Scientific Implications

[BundleUp]

Please see: Penis Creep & Its Scientific Implications

Good read. Thanks for posting.

And yes, this is exactly what I've learned by digging through the research literature on the subject, with one major disagreement: the body will respond by creating more tissue, both collagen and smooth muscle. It's just a very slow process. I know I'm no doctor, and I have no right to argue, but its really right there in his own article: the tissues toughen up over time. The only way to stretch a membrane to a larger size and also make it tougher is to add material to it.

[Big Al]

Good read. Thanks for posting.

And yes, this is exactly what I've learned by digging through the research literature on the subject, with one major disagreement: the body will respond by creating more tissue, both collagen and smooth muscle. It's just a very slow process. I know I'm no doctor, and I have no right to argue, but its really right there in his own article: the tissues toughen up over time. The only way to stretch a membrane to a larger size and also make it tougher is to add material to it.

Glad to help!

If a more universal description for the growth process is desired, this should help: Davis's Law

"Ligaments, or any soft tissue, when put under even a moderate degree of tension, if that tension is unremitting, will elongate by the addition of new material; on the contrary, when ligaments, or rather soft tissues, remain uninterruptedly in a loose or lax state, they will gradually shorten, as the effete material is removed, until they come to maintain the same relation to the bony structures with which they are united that they did before their shortening. Nature never wastes her time and material in maintaining a muscle or ligament at its original length when the distance between their points of origin and insertion is for any considerable time, without interruption, shortened."

[BundleUp]

A slight amount of controlled overtraining can be beneficial. A good example of this is during the last week of a training cycle. This is where you want to force a plateau of sorts by hitting near maximum tolerances with your training. This will ensure the upcoming week of rest will be earned- and it's not unusual to note "rebound gains" after a full week of deep recuperation.

Has anyone ever experimented with programs that aren't a constant tension from day to day? For instance, day 1 might be pushing max tolerances, but the rest of the training week is light. Or maybe heavy-light-rest-repeat.

I've designed programs in other areas of physical training around this "pulsed intensity" principle and they've all worked quite well, but those were for skeletal muscle, not collagenous tissues and smooth muscle. It seems to keep the training effect of heavy lifting going without the detraining effect of having 6 rest days between.

[BundleUp]

Glad to help!

If a more universal description for the growth process is desired, this should help: Davis's Law

"Ligaments, or any soft tissue, when put under even a moderate degree of tension, if that tension is unremitting, will elongate by the addition of new material; on the contrary, when ligaments, or rather soft tissues, remain uninterruptedly in a loose or lax state, they will gradually shorten, as the effete material is removed, until they come to maintain the same relation to the bony structures with which they are united that they did before their shortening. Nature never wastes her time and material in maintaining a muscle or ligament at its original length when the distance between their points of origin and insertion is for any considerable time, without interruption, shortened."

Absolutely! What I've been saying is exactly a marriage of those two ideas. You need intensity to elongate the tissues, followed by a "new equilibrium" for them to settle into

[BundleUp]

Again, I know it's a different animal, but my pulsed intensity programs are modeled much the same way. A big stimulus for growth, followed by keeping that growth by establishing a "new normal". It's how we grow naturally, after all.

[Kolejohn]

Yeah under the leg stretchs are really good since your leg can act like a V fulcrum depending how you do them.

[Dalton94]

Not a problem. I imagine I'd be fairing far worse trying to write in your language.

I am about a week from 6 months in my Phallosan/plus and am going to measure soon to see if I got any further than the .25 inches I reached about 20 weeks in. I may take a few extra months and try for shorter daily goals as I have been averaging about 10 hours (have done as long as 15 hours several times) a day. I have avoided all other exercises to be able to determine if this particular device and usage created notable results. I do not pay attention to my flaccid length as it will always vary no matter what, so the erect length and thickness will be my only focus. Phallosan seemed to indicate on their site that the more time you put in the better results so since I was willing and able to do the longer sessions I did. But, I'll keep ya'll posted!

I got a phallosan FT last year and after a couple hundred hours wearing it at the waist, couldnt detect any gains.

After a long plateau, I decided to break, decon, and overhaul my PE training. Im doing strictly Phallosan right now, about 4 hours a day on average, but at the 6 oclock direction, with the strap tied just above my ankle. Its just a light stretch, that never quite exceeds the green. This has been for 2 weeks, and in that time my flaccid hang has been exceptional, my EQ has been off the charts, I have (morning) wood all through the night while sleeping, and my last erect measurement was about 1/8 inch longer. Now, that could just be EQ, but either way, its progress.

So, just some positive feedback, because I was ready to file the Phallosan FT in the storage bin. Not now.

[BigO]

It is this type of debate and detailed analysis that makes this a great site.

It is indeed

[BigO]

Well I have already meet my length and girth goal(the girth is surpased) so I don t want to gain more in purpose.
I ll continue doing 3-4h of extending at 600grams and jelqing 2on/1off in order to maintain my new size but my journey has shown me that this exact program has given all the gains I have...so I may gain more by default.
Every time I was doing more than this program ( more hours in extender or bigger tension in extender or both , or inducing manuals before and/or after my extending sessions or big intensity of manuals and big intensity of jelqing followed or not followed by 2-3h of keeping my dick extended to supposingly heal in a stretched state or air pumping or bathmate) my gains was coming into a complete halt and my flaccid size was becoming 24/7 like a stiff little shit.
My differences in my flaccid is huge when it comes to correct training and overtraining.
When I am doing correct training now and all of the periods I have gained my non bone pressed flaccid is about 10cmX12cm and when I am overtraining and these periods I gain nothing my flaccid size was becoming like 4cmX9cm.
You see the difference is huge... so I know exactly when my program is offering gains and when not.
After all 2 years of no gains is not a limited study....
Also 3 months of gains , interuped by 2 years of no gains and then going back to less is more and sparking new growth is not luck... its a clear sighn of correct decoding of what works and what not.
The other thing that my journey prooves is that decon breaks are not nessesary simply because I never took more than 7 days offs these 2 non gaining years and by continuing with a lot lighter program new gains were sparked.

ALL of the things I have seen in me and from reading genuine stories from other PEers proved me that all we do is try to create a more stretched out dick state in order to create a bigger dick.
When you understand this... its then when you know what you are doing....
1) You are gauzing your training to never get you in a stiff flaccid state because after all its the soft big stretched out state that you are looking for.
2)You are looking closely your MFSL to becoming longer and to be able to elongate faster than before.
3) you are giving attention to your PF to be always balanced by doing RKs and PF stretching in order to counter the tension that the PE training is creating.

The above rules is what I folowed and from a non gainer I bacame a fast gainer.
I say fast because 2 years of no gains and then 6 weeks with 6mm EL gains is way too fast.

Now if your dick does not being stiff and retructed when you are hanging an elephant from it or by using an airlpane to stretch it , then do it , you will still gain if you are having progressions at your MFSL.
ALL I am trying to say with the above joke is that every dick has its own capasity of training and working under the stiffness mechanism is gonna produce gains.... but if with what you are doing all it happens is a stiff-contracted state of flaccid then gains will not happen.
Its like telling me that a body builder can gain muscle size but this size is shpwing up only when he is flexing his muscles.... but his flaccid non flexed muscles have become smaller.

This is why we have these discussions, for me, lightwork did nothing but for you it gave amazing gains.

This is why we have forums......congrats on your gains, now I gotta get back to my elephant 🙂