The true mechanics of growth and the correct thinking for growth.

[TeoDeles]

This is why we have these discussions, for me, lightwork did nothing but for you it gave amazing gains.

This is why we have forums......congrats on your gains, now I gotta get back to my elephant 

Hehehe careful man with these elephants!!! I am happy for your gains too no matter how they came from.
Most of guys think that light work didn t work for them because they never really did any light work in the 1st place or because they started with it but they progressed too fast and they never experienced the gains from it.( Not speaking about you... I am speaking in general).

[BigO]

Hehehe careful man with these elephants!!! I am happy for your gains too no matter how they came from.
Most of guys think that light work didn t work for them because they never really did any light work in the 1st place or because they started with it but they progressed too fast and they never experienced the gains from it.( Not speaking about you... I am speaking in general).

I have seen many cases of guys gaining with light routines. I have suggested to many to do such a routine. For some, training with high intensity doesnt work.

There are routines that are very light and many guys have had great success with them.

One that comes to mind is the PSEG routine. The key for each person to have success is in learning how to read their own personal indicators.

[TeoDeles]

I have seen many cases of guys gaining with light routines. I have suggested to many to do such a routine. For some, training with high intensity doesnt work.

There are routines that are very light and many guys have had great success with them.

One that comes to mind is the PSEG routine. The key for each person to have success is in learning how to read their own personal indicators.

I couldn t agree more.

[xfzhyz]

TeoDeles,

Thanks for sharing your insight and this is quite interesting as I have been also wondering whether I'm overtraining (in case you would like to take a look, this is the link to the thread I started regarding the PIs: https://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-e...ing-right.html)

Would you say that turtling immediately after your PE session is the sign of over-training (which happens to me most of the time)? As a grower, I have been struggling to find a positive PI such as longer flaccid hang a day after the session (or "stretched out state" in your term) given my unit size varies a lot when flaccid (i.e., temp., underwear, etc.). I would love to hear your thoughts as I think this point could be a good way to assess the volume / intensity of current routine for someone like myself... Thanks in advance!

[TeoDeles]

TeoDeles,

Thanks for sharing your insight and this is quite interesting as I have been also wondering whether I'm overtraining (in case you would like to take a look, this is the link to the thread I started regarding the PIs: https://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-e...ing-right.html)

Would you say that turtling immediately after your PE session is the sign of over-training (which happens to me most of the time)? As a grower, I have been struggling to find a positive PI such as longer flaccid hang a day after the session (or "stretched out state" in your term) given my unit size varies a lot when flaccid (i.e., temp., underwear, etc.). I would love to hear your thoughts as I think this point could be a good way to assess the volume / intensity of current routine for someone like myself... Thanks in advance!

Ok first of all it doesn t matter for anyone to look at your log in order to find out if you are overtraining or not...
The only responsible person that can give an accurate answer in this is YOUR OWN DICK responce from your PE program.

I was also a grower in all of my life before PE... my flaccid size was so small that I was embarrased... my Erect size was just average which was fine.
At the periods that I was(like now days) training my dick with the intensity-vol-freq that was favouring my gains , my flaccid was( and is right now) so big that every time I look at it I really can t get used to it and I am impressed every time I go to piss.
At the periods that I was overtraining and I had no gaisn at all , my flaccid was even smaller than my original small flaccid.

When I am in my sweet spot of PE training even if I am in a cold environment , my flaccid size is almost non affected. In general I have a stable big size in length and girth and its very easy for the blood to enter it and this is why I have spontaneous erection through the day.

Now as far as how my dick is behaving after a PE training...
When I am doing my training , my dick is expanding very long and very easy in length and girth. After I finish my session my dick is like it has just been out of a penis pump.
After some minutes , this huge flaccid is becoming smaller than my biggest normal all day flaccid size and it gets a little stiffer ( this is why it gets smaller because of post training stiffness) BUT after 1 to 3 hours it returns in its biggest normal flaccid size( I sat normal meaning non the post training one).
The rule is to NEVER start a PE session if your dick has not recovered from your prebious one... the recovery is obvious when you look at your flaccid size.

Forget about checking ALL of the Pis...
If your flaccid is all day BIG and SOFT then all the other good Pis are folowing it.... and the opposite.

Rest days are nessessary espesailly for people like us that out dick is overtraining easy....
On the rest days your dick is reseting and it can take more beating.

Let me give you an example of my extending program that is making me gain.

i am extending 1h in the morning 1h in the mid day and 1h in the night and after my night session I am doing 10 to 15 mins of jelq.
The reason i am not extening back to back sessions with 15 mins breaks ( did it in the past and never gained like that) is because my dick needs some hours or rest in order to recover and get big and soft again in order for the next extending session to be productive.
When I was extending my dick while it was stiff and small from back to back sessions all I was doing was making it even more stiff and small.

Final... my last advice is after lets say 3 weeks of training frequency of 3on-1off /2on-1off I am giving my dick a 2 consecutive days of rest in order to reset even better.
In my case the growth is happening on rest days.... I have seen it every time I was training correctly.

[Big Al]

Has anyone ever experimented with programs that aren't a constant tension from day to day? For instance, day 1 might be pushing max tolerances, but the rest of the training week is light. Or maybe heavy-light-rest-repeat.

I've designed programs in other areas of physical training around this "pulsed intensity" principle and they've all worked quite well, but those were for skeletal muscle, not collagenous tissues and smooth muscle. It seems to keep the training effect of heavy lifting going without the detraining effect of having 6 rest days between.

Most of the regimens are performed in a cyclical format going from lower levels of volume and intensity towards a peak level of both at the end of the cycle. There are regimens which also use light and heavy days.

That being said, experimenting with less traditional methods may yield results. One sometimes needs to test different things to see what works best.

[BundleUp]

Most of the regimens are performed in a cyclical format going from lower levels of volume and intensity towards a peak level of both at the end of the cycle. There are regimens which also use light and heavy days.

That being said, experimenting with less traditional methods may yield results. One sometimes needs to test different things to see what works best.

I'm gonna give it a go and see. I had an intense session yesterday, so I'm gonna go light for the rest of the week. I take measurements on Friday, and then I'll stick with one intense day per week for a month. I think the homebrew ADS I've been using for skin stretch will be enough for holding it out longer. If it works, I'll post a separate thread about it.

[Big Al]

I'm gonna give it a go and see. I had an intense session yesterday, so I'm gonna go light for the rest of the week. I take measurements on Friday, and then I'll stick with one intense day per week for a month. I think the homebrew ADS I've been using for skin stretch will be enough for holding it out longer. If it works, I'll post a separate thread about it.

Sounds like a good plan!

[Squid]

Thanks for restating the research you have done regarding time (volume) having diminishing results. Phallosan themselves seem to indicate otherwise but they are also selling products.

As to "why I have a question like that", is just because of the use of your word stiff means "hard" and a flaccid penis by definition is soft. I know you are just doing your best to explain a condition you speak of, but the reason I was asking is not all that strange.

But, I'll be measuring in the next week to report my 6 months which I have kept notes on since the start and should at least offer one man's opinion on the long hours of moderate tension over half a year.

@Squid
If you do an extensive research like I have done on extender guys you will see that most of the failed cases were the ones that were doing 8h+.
And the most successfull ones were the ones that were doing 3 to 6h with a gentle intensity that was never made their dick feel any fatigue.
Its not only the big intensity that can spark the stiffness mech of the dick but its also the big volume.

As for your question about how a flaccid dick can be stiff.....I really don t know why you have a question like that.
A flaccid dick can be in a state of soooo soft and big like a melted rubber BUT it can also be in a state of a little stiff sucker that is CONTRACTED aka TURTLED.

@Justin This is not the thread to speak about that...as for my jelqing tech you can read it in my signature link.

[TeoDeles]

A flaccid penis by definition is soft meaning that is NOT erected BUT the flaccid penis softness-stiffness can vary a lot.
So let me use an other word instead of stiff.... lets use the word RELAXED. Meaning that is hanging low and its very big and soft like its dead. LoL.
On the contrary when its is not RELAXED it means that it is not hanging low and that is contructed-short-thin.

As far as Phallosan usage... from what I know it works with belt system and this is not the best thing because the tension will be varying a lot.
You do not want sudden changes in tension neither times with almost no tension at all.
Even if it is indeed effective for growth is not a convinient method because as they say you have to do PE almost all day.
You can achieve the same and faster results just by doing manual stretching for 30 mins 5 days/week.
Or you can use an extender for 3-4h per day.