Why I'm sometimes tied up in knots

[mistergeorge Senior Member Member of the Month June 2021 Find all posts View Profile Close mistergeorge]

Part of me would like to say things that might be helpful to other guys who are new or struggling to produce gains. I sure don't know it all, but I have enjoyed accumulating some gains over the past 3 years. Maybe I can help...sometimes. I also have an additional 4 years of failure under my belt. That helps too

Another part of me says, yeah, but look at everything I had to go through to get to my success. Can I ethically encourage anyone to do the same?

Another part says: I really don't want to fashion myself as a guru. I'm just a guy.

I think of the risk, the bruises, the scrapes, the uncertainty, the fluctuations in function (physical or psychological? PE related or not? who knows?), the time, the failures, the frustrations, the real body changes.

When I say that I really did this - I really gained, and not just once, do I risk sending some other guy sitting at home reading this down the wrong path? The last thing I would ever want to do is reinforce anyone's enthusiasm for actions which could cause self-harm, compound frustrations, create new anxieties, or just leave somebody high and dry because PE can be really tricky.

I took all this risk upon myself and I'm still not convinced it was a great idea. I did it anyway because once my curiosity takes hold it doesn't let go. I did it very consciously acknowledging the possibility that I might cause permanent problems with something I do here. I really did think that clearly about this, and you know I can't even recommend anybody adopt that attitude. Risk is risk. It's not something else. And I was clear with myself about that.

I don't know how success can happen without encountering some of those risks and self-navigating through them. My own successes have required constant problem solving on my own. Still does. It's just such an intimate and subjective process and it's hard for other guys in forms to know for sure what the hell we're talking about.

I've given this a lot of thought. I don't think I would want to invite anybody to come down this path. It's in part because I know that so many guys come to this self-administered penis enlargement stuff with pumped expectations and self-image anxieties. I didn't have much of that stuff. Even without that burden, I still had other attachments I had to clear out of my way before I was able to gain.

Self-acceptance as a starting point has been key. Acceptance of whatever my results turned out to be was also a major key because gains come on their own terms. We discover those terms in our own way, in our own time. Or we don't. Personal responsibility decrees that we accept failure when it comes too.

So as I'm posting here and replying to questions these knots I'm trying to describe here will probably always run parallel. I'm a little conflicted because I just don't want to be encouraging anyone to believe this has been as easy and safe as posting to a forum. On the other hand I've enjoyed the work and the results (successes and failures) have been an education. I want it to mean more than my own gains. After all, I first learned about this stuff from virtual communities like this one, including this one.

If it's your choice to get involved in this very bizarre cultural phenomenon, I hope your path will be a little more straight forward than mine was, but I wouldn't count on it.

So I will lean on the PE Gym Terms of Service which I highly recommend everyone read if you haven't already. 100% responsibility for understanding the risks (both psychological and physical). And also that what you read here is not endorsed by any authority. We all have to navigate the information we find here. Including this post

Godspeed and Good Work!

[Starting_Somewhere Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Starting_Somewhere]

Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Just curious what have your total gains come out to?

[mistergeorge Senior Member Member of the Month June 2021 Find all posts View Profile Close mistergeorge]

I knew somebody would ask that. It's what we're all looking for.

The really interesting thing about my gains so far has been that I seem to have found a way to gain incrementally on a predictable schedule. The total accumulated gains are modest, but I'm very happy with the result.

It's at least 0.75 inch erect length. And there's some girth coming probably from other things I've done - that's still being worked out so I won't give a number until it's more definite.

Right now I'm in the process of getting a new measurement in the middle of a new training cycle, so I can't give totally accurate up to date numbers. Please stand by.

[BigO AdministratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close BigO]

Part of me would like to say things that might be helpful to other guys who are new or struggling to produce gains. I sure don't know it all, but I have enjoyed accumulating some gains over the past 3 years. Maybe I can help...sometimes. I also have an additional 4 years of failure under my belt. That helps too

Another part of me says, yeah, but look at everything I had to go through to get to my success. Can I ethically encourage anyone to do the same?

Another part says: I really don't want to fashion myself as a guru. I'm just a guy.

I think of the risk, the bruises, the scrapes, the uncertainty, the fluctuations in function (physical or psychological? PE related or not? who knows?), the time, the failures, the frustrations, the real body changes.

When I say that I really did this - I really gained, and not just once, do I risk sending some other guy sitting at home reading this down the wrong path? The last thing I would ever want to do is reinforce anyone's enthusiasm for actions which could cause self-harm, compound frustrations, create new anxieties, or just leave somebody high and dry because PE can be really tricky.

I took all this risk upon myself and I'm still not convinced it was a great idea. I did it anyway because once my curiosity takes hold it doesn't let go. I did it very consciously acknowledging the possibility that I might cause permanent problems with something I do here. I really did think that clearly about this, and you know I can't even recommend anybody adopt that attitude. Risk is risk. It's not something else. And I was clear with myself about that.

I don't know how success can happen without encountering some of those risks and self-navigating through them. My own successes have required constant problem solving on my own. Still does. It's just such an intimate and subjective process and it's hard for other guys in forms to know for sure what the hell we're talking about.

I've given this a lot of thought. I don't think I would want to invite anybody to come down this path. It's in part because I know that so many guys come to this self-administered penis enlargement stuff with pumped expectations and self-image anxieties. I didn't have much of that stuff. Even without that burden, I still had other attachments I had to clear out of my way before I was able to gain.

Self-acceptance as a starting point has been key. Acceptance of whatever my results turned out to be was also a major key because gains come on their own terms. We discover those terms in our own way, in our own time. Or we don't. Personal responsibility decrees that we accept failure when it comes too.

So as I'm posting here and replying to questions these knots I'm trying to describe here will probably always run parallel. I'm a little conflicted because I just don't want to be encouraging anyone to believe this has been as easy and safe as posting to a forum. On the other hand I've enjoyed the work and the results (successes and failures) have been an education. I want it to mean more than my own gains. After all, I first learned about this stuff from virtual communities like this one, including this one.

If it's your choice to get involved in this very bizarre cultural phenomenon, I hope your path will be a little more straight forward than mine was, but I wouldn't count on it.

So I will lean on the PE Gym Terms of Service which I highly recommend everyone read if you haven't already. 100% responsibility for understanding the risks (both psychological and physical). And also that what you read here is not endorsed by any authority. We all have to navigate the information we find here. Including this post

Godspeed and Good Work!

Damn dude, great write up!

I truly hope that everyone reads this, its a very sound way to approach PE, I have always had the same perspective and it helps to stay positively motivated.

[mistergeorge Senior Member Member of the Month June 2021 Find all posts View Profile Close mistergeorge]

Damn dude, great write up!

I truly hope that everyone reads this, its a very sound way to approach PE, I have always had the same perspective and it helps to stay positively motivated.

Thanks, BigO. I knew I had kindred spirits here.

[BlueMorpho Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close BlueMorpho]

Never read anything so comprehensive as the original post on this forum. I like the honesty and the eyes wide open no-bullshit assessment. I gather that if we all went into PE thinking about its overall scope and what that really means, chances are that maybe 90% of us would reassess our true reasons for being here in the first place and desist from it entirely. There's a lot to be said about spending a good portion of time to one's sexual enhancement... ultimately that is up to each person to decide for themselves. But perhaps on closer look, there may be more important things to one's well-being than sexual enhancement/fulfillment. Like you said, it certainly ISN'T easy to decide whether PE is a time-honored practice... and much less something to be casually suggesting others to engage in.

I'm happy you brought this topic up. It made me think about something I've often neglected about myself. Thank you for sharing this!

[mistergeorge Senior Member Member of the Month June 2021 Find all posts View Profile Close mistergeorge]

Never read anything so comprehensive as the original post on this forum. I like the honesty and the eyes wide open no-bullshit assessment. I gather that if we all went into PE thinking about its overall scope and what that really means, chances are that maybe 90% of us would reassess our true reasons for being here in the first place and desist from it entirely. There's a lot to be said about spending a good portion of time to one's sexual enhancement... ultimately that is up to each person to decide for themselves. But perhaps on closer look, there may be more important things to one's well-being than sexual enhancement/fulfillment. Like you said, it certainly ISN'T easy to decide whether PE is a time-honored practice... and much less something to be casually suggesting others to engage in.

I'm happy you brought this topic up. It made me think about something I've often neglected about myself. Thank you for sharing this!

Thanks for the kind words, BlueMorpho. I'm glad I risked sharing this. I really wasn't sure what others would read into it. I'm glad you found something in it. Thanks for sharing your thoughts too. There are definitely higher priorities on the well-being to-do list

[MalikMasvidal Member Find all posts View Profile Close MalikMasvidal]

I have very similar opinions about PE, I don't exactly see PE as a solution for an average/below average dick, I see it as a solution to a certain mentality and in some ways a mental illness. My PE journey has made me realize how irrelevant penis size really is in the grand scale of things, thats why I never recommend PE as the first thing to younger guys, I always tell them focus on your education and career, on getting fit, on figuring out your paradigm, because really these things will develop you as a man, and thats what women want, someone who's confidently gotten everything figured out, and even if you don't get women, you've lifted yourself to the top percentile of society. A bigger dick is not going to make you a better lover, its not going to make you better at sex.

But most of the times you can't get these through their head, its a journey they have to go on themselves to really realize it. Thats where I find PE comes in, it improves their mental health, it gives them confidence, because they realize they can get to their big dick goal, even if they never really do, and in the process they learn about themselves, and what really matters in the world. For this I feel PE really is needed, because there are a lot of guys today that are driven by dysmorphia to really bad places, a lot of them even suicidal just because they have an average penis.

At the same time though, I feel like a hypocrite at times despite having these opinions, because time to time I get that desire to have a bigger dick, and it drives me back to PE to make my dick bigger.

[BlueMorpho Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close BlueMorpho]

@mistergeorge
The day we stop taking risks to stand for a belief on an online forum shall be the day a forum will stop being a forum and become a cult. I don't think for a minute that your OP was ever grounds for mass hysteria. In fact it's a much needed dose of sanity!

@MalikMasvidal
It's honest of you to describe the contradiction you feel with respect to PE: that of not needing a big dick, and yet at same time, having a recurring desire to have a bigger one anyway. That's very much the human condition: we ARE contradictory creatures!

More seriously though, I like where you were going with your argument. PE can be seen as a process of self discovery through which one can determine if it's a good path for the time being and whether it is something worth pursuing later (or for the rest of a lifetime). Up to each one of us to determine what's right.

Personally, I believe my struggle with PE may have had to do with porn programming. The sight of well-endowed porn stars, or even the occasional well-endowed gentleman at the gym showers/locker room is probably the kind of stimuli that leaves a powerful mark on the psyche. One can develop a 'big penis' envy over time, and the cumulative effect of it is indeed difficult to shake off. From there on, several roads are possible. One is to do nothing and hope the problem will go away on its own (the problem though usually comes back to bite again and again). A second option is to actively fight the pattern of thought (this may involve psychotherapy, daily monitoring, cognitive reassessment, changing the focus and of course quitting porn which is the main source of penis anxiety). A third option would be to deal with the dissatisfaction by embarking on a PE journey.

Daunting choices. In line with the OP, I believe option 2 (therapy) would be the most direct and time-effective method. Option 1 does absolutely nothing else than to keep one stuck in a loop... it may be avoiding over-emphasis on sex but still the patterns return anyway. Option 3 (PE), though not the best route, still is better compared to status quo. By applying active changes to one's appearance, one does build confidence, even though it comes at the expense of prioritizing sex. Ultimately PE can be done... but it's a delicate balancing act where one HAS to engage in many other life objectives first (the ones you mention: career, education, health)... otherwise there is danger that PE can become an obsession in its own right and interfere with the more important life priorities.

The only pro I would see in PE as compared to therapy would be the achievement of a long-standing desire to have greater size and sexual function... in so doing, one can permanently put that desire to rest (no more "what if I had done PE?" regrets).