Gaining 3-4" in X years should be VERY possible

**seanyboy** · 02-08-2014

I'm scared of high intensity because of injury. I kind of sort of am suffering my second injury (like I pulled a tendon or something on the left base/shaft of my penis). It's not as bad as the first injury when I first started because I can still do the stretching/jelqing routines without pain, but not as intense as I used to. That's why I asked you, TheGreatDivider, if you had experienced pain, because I can't imagine you trained that intensely for so long without paying some consequences.

**TheGreatDivider** · 02-08-2014

BTBrian,

You are still focusing entirely way too much on the gains I made during puberty and neglecting that I keep reminding you I'm STILL gaining. Maybe I would have gained 1.5"-2" naturally, that still leaves 2.5" to be unexplained and some stretchmarks going half way up my penis. I'll remind you I went from about 4" by 4" to 8.5" by 6" and lost that .5" in length after a long layoff, which I did get back fairly recently when I started hanging again. Another .25" on top of that from my routines as of lately.

This routine structure you speak of is only one component of PE and something that's only popular in the recent school of thought. Back when I started times were different, and the online community didn't have as many theories to get in the way. You started with a light routine somewhat similar to the JP90 to get you used to PE and teach you the skills, then you increased your either time or the number of jelqs you did to get you growing again, the goal after about a year or so was to do one long constant routine with no breaks... Just constant time under tension.

Over time a lot of guys got bored with that routine structure or couldn't keep it up and have a life outside of PE, and I know it was very difficult for me to PE in the Navy with such routines, so they started experimenting with higher intensity stuff... And that was when clamps and heavier weights started coming into play. You don't see a lot of that with today's "Experts" because they buy into the same theories and don't really push themselves or step out of the box for fear of hurting themselves. If you don't want to hurt yourself then stay a newbie forever. Real PE takes some risks, although it's not nearly as much as dangerous as everyone makes it sound.

The only reason I hurt myself in the past was that I would pump for 15-25mmhg for over an hour a day, and I used to hang and swing over 20lbs for multiple long sets a day, and jelq for 1,000+ reps... this was all stuff so intense that you have to clench your teeth and rock back in forth in excruciating agony just counting down the seconds that felt like an eternity. There's no wonder why I hurt myself, I did some crazy stuff just to see if I could. Hanging 15lbs for 2 sets of 15 minutes or jelqing above 80% EQ for a set of 20 with kegels held tight is nothing in comparison to those other things. It is higher intensity but no where near that amount that would cause serious harm. And it's something you have to work up to.

My method is a progression of PE exercises you have to have to build up to over a few years. You start out doing high reps and using lighter weight for hanging with longer time, then you find ways to make it harder and more challenging. You could either do a very light routine and stop stop short like a lot of others do because they get anxious if they can't touch themselves everyday. A method which only seems to create endurance for more PE for a lot of people. Endless light wet jelqs, endless crunches, see the connection there? You could do that, OR you could start slowly building up intensity and including rest days and try some thinks you've written off before you've given them a chance. Try it before you make up your mind.

**TheGreatDivider** · 02-08-2014

Originally Posted by seanyboy

I'm scared of high intensity because of injury. I kind of sort of am suffering my second injury (like I pulled a tendon or something on the left base/shaft of my penis). It's not as bad as the first injury when I first started because I can still do the stretching/jelqing routines without pain, but not as intense as I used to. That's why I asked you, TheGreatDivider, if you had experienced pain, because I can't imagine you trained that intensely for so long without paying some consequences.

Can you do one more rep every PE session? That's the kind of progressive overload I am speaking of. Not something like a 100+ jelq routine with a full erection. Nothing anywhere near like that. You start up slowly with one more rep for jelqs, 5 more seconds with manual stretches, 30 seconds with the same weight for hanging. And you back off when you feel you are pushing yourself too hard or not healing fast enough.

After a few weeks to a couple months you'll start to need more rest. That's when you back completely off and take it easy for a couple weeks to a month. Give yourself enough time with active rest, without taking complete time off, and get ready for another period of slightly more intensity. That's where you are right now seanyboy, you need to take it easy for a while and do less until your tendon is feeling normal. Tendons need a lot of rest and can tear if they get stretched beyond 6% of their capacity for normal tension. That's probably what happened to you. You still want to PE, but doing a light recovery routine for the next month or two.

Yours is an injury I've had before. You need rest and active recovery to heal and get better. Hot baths and warmups are going to be your best friend for a while.

**seanyboy** · 02-08-2014

Originally Posted by TheGreatDivider

Can you do one more rep every PE session? That's the kind of progressive overload I am speaking of. Not something like a 100+ jelq routine with a full erection. Nothing anywhere near like that. You start up slowly with one more rep for jelqs, 5 more seconds with manual stretches, 30 seconds with the same weight for hanging. And you back off when you feel you are pushing yourself too hard or not healing fast enough.

After a few weeks to a couple months you'll start to need more rest. That's when you back completely off and take it easy for a couple weeks to a month. Give yourself enough time with active rest, without taking complete time off, and get ready for another period of slightly more intensity. That's where you are right now seanyboy, you need to take it easy for a while and do less until your tendon is feeling normal. Tendons need a lot of rest and can tear if they get stretched beyond 6% of their capacity for normal tension. That's probably what happened to you. You still want to PE, but doing a light recovery routine for the next month or two.

Yours is an injury I've had before. You need rest and active recovery to heal and get better. Hot baths and warmups are going to be your best friend for a while.

I'm with you on that.

**BTBrian** · 02-08-2014

Originally Posted by TheGreatDivider

BTBrian,

You are still focusing entirely way too much on the gains I made during puberty and neglecting that I keep reminding you I'm STILL gaining. Maybe I would have gained 1.5"-2" naturally, that still leaves 2.5" to be unexplained and some stretchmarks going half way up my penis. I'll remind you I went from about 4" by 4" to 8.5" by 6" and lost that .5" in length after a long layoff, which I did get back fairly recently when I started hanging again. Another .25" on top of that from my routines as of lately.

That's exactly what I was saying, maybe I didn't word myself properly but we agree here. Maybe you would have gained 1" naturally or maybe you would have gained 3", we'll never know. All I was saying is that if you extrapolate your post-puberty average gains that you mentioned (1/2" every two years) that would put you closer towards 1-1.5" from PE from 14-18 years old. Anyways, it doesn't really matter we agree in premise and it would be silly to argue.

I TOTALLY disagree that you have to take risk in order to be more than a newbie in PE! There are people who have gained 3+ inches doing nothing but what you think are "newbie" routines of only stretching and jelqing. When I used to PE a lot before I took a hiatus, I gained about 1.25 inches length in about a year without doing anything risky - all I did was jelq, stretch, and maybe a couple uli's/squeezes here and there.

Again, not saying that a riskier, high intensity routine doesn't work. There are tradeoffs to both approaches that suit certain people. Someone wanting to take a less riskier routine to reach there goals doesn't make them a newbie and taking a riskier approach doesn't make you stupid or anything like that. Both approaches are correct for certain people.

**dadoxx** · 02-08-2014

BigO, first time i saw your progress log i thought u was crazy...
now i m do pretty the same things

safe and consistent

I think when i ll have some money i will try LG hanger

**BigO** · 02-08-2014

Originally Posted by TheGreatDivider

You must have missed that part where I said "when you've worked up to it". It takes a long time to work up to hanging 20lbs or more from the meager 1-5lbs you start with. And your theory is the common light weights over a long time gently stretch the tunica leading to length, and a total bias towards heavy weights and complete repair. If you actually think about what you said it makes no sense.

If you start hanging more wights it doesn't mean you will stop gaining length. The only thing that will stop you from gaining length is if you completely stop doing PE altogether.

Anytime you hang hang weights from your penis you are creating damage that your penis has to heal from and become stronger. It doesn't matter if it's 2lbs for a few hours or 20lbs for 12 minutes. When you hang enough weight from your penis for long enough you create the same demand for your body to heal and make it longer no matter what. None of this penis of steel or whatever theory that's floating out there. I don't know if it's stretching or cell division, and I don't need to know to know that it works.

When did something so simple as PE become all about this school of thought. When you hang you either add more time or more weight. You take time off when feel you need it. And you stay consistent for years. How is that difficult to comprehend? Your theory is not the end all be all of PE. It's just the most popular right now.

I have 1/4" in length I can't explain from hanging more weights than I ever have before in about 6 months time. I'm working with 15lbs now for 2 sets of 16 minutes now, and in the past I've hung 20lbs, a 35lbs kettlebell, and two 25lb plates... all for just a mew minutes at a time.

I took it as you were saying that when you get that high up in the weight range of 20 plus pounds should only hang once or twice a week, that is not correct but maybe I misunderstood what you were saying. I also do not recall saying that my methods were the "end all beat all" way to do things so I think you may have misread what I was saying or meant to say. I am not always the best at saying what I mean.

I meant that hanging once or twice a week can make a stronger penis, by that I mean resistant to lengthening and yes, that can happen. I have a lot of time under my belt with a Bib hangers as well, not just an LG hanger. I own all three Bibs. I have been up to 35 lbs for 20 minute sets and have done 37 pounds for shorter sets. When I was doing these weights I was hanging 6 days a week. I did not hang 35 lbs every day, sometimes the next day I could only hang 27 or 28 lbs depending on how far I road the fatigue the prior day.

Not trying to argue with you or prove you wrong, as I said I may have misunderstood your post. I believe in more than one method of hanging. Hope I may have clarified what I meant to say.