Thread: Girth is Temporary
- 11-29-2010 #51
- Join Date
- Nov 2010
I have thought of documenting my P.E progress if only for encouragement and proving to myself it does work. However, I didn't get around to doing that. I do want to do research as well but I get this hypertension when I see lots and lots of reading. Only if something is extremely interesting or is important (like school work) is when I read extensively.
The reason I don't do much research in other people's gains is because I've had gains myself and have already proven to myself it works. I have not yet discovered how it works however. I believe that it is the cells stretching. Why I believe this is because I've also stretched my scrotum and saw extra skin I did not previously have and my balls hanging lower. This was within 2 weeks of stretching it.
There is a theory on tunica and smooth muscle on this forum which may be beneficial for your research.
- 12-13-2010 #52
- Join Date
- Sep 2010
I have decided to quit PE.
After only 4 sessions of wet jelqing and stretching, the distal end of my dorsal vein where it branches has become distended. I used a moderate grip at 50-70% erection level. The vein at the base seems somewhat firmer than it used to, but not rock hard. The base of the dorsal vein now shifts .5-1 cm to the left or right when touched. My vein never moved before when touched until now. The two distended sections at the top of the vein appeared to increase in width, height, and shape deformity after each jelqing session and were most visible in flaccid and semi-erect states. I have taken several days off and the distended sections do not look as bad as they did, but are still present. The vein is still able to be moved significantly at the base. I am hoping the distention is primarily caused by inflammation and is not indicative of permanent valve damage. In either case I am done with PE, as inflammation is a sign of cellular damage and significant injury will be shortly following if the offending action is not ceased.
Distended and Varicose Veins
Thrombosed veins are occasionally discussed on the forums and occur sometimes in PE, a thrombosed vein is a vein that is blocked due to a blood clot. However, varicose veins and vein distention are not commonly discussed. I want to bring attention to this as it may help prevent injuries. A vein distention occurs when the valves of the veins are damaged. They can be damaged by pressure such as in the case of a pump or mechanically in the case of jelqing. When the valves do not function properly they can't properly release blood from the vein and the blood pools. The pooling of the blood then causes the vein to distend and can lead to a varicose vein. These deformities to the vein can and do lead to circulatory issues. Penile varicose veins and harder to treat than varicose veins in other parts of the body, I encourage everyone to research the topic.
As for my previous posts regarding studies that give evidence for the efficacy of PE, I would like to partially retract my statements as I do not want to be misleading to anyone starting PE. The pump study I cited in other posts DOES NOT CONCLUDE LENGTH GAINS. Upon reading the study more closely I noticed the researchers attributed the increase in length to be due to the correction in curvature and not growth or real length increase. The study quotes, "The improvement in penile length is an encouraging feature and would fit with the improvement in the curvature that was achieved." For those who are unfamiliar with the study, the volunteers using the pumps suffered from Peyronie's disease, a condition in which the penis is significantly bent. So what the researchers are concluding is the length increases are due to the penis straightening not lengthening. Its like taking a bent rod and measuring its length with a ruler then straightening the rod and measuring again with the same technique, the rod will appear longer when in reality its only been straightened.
I also quoted an extender study conducted at the University of Turin. I have not fully reviewed this study in depth, nor plan to as I do not intend to continue PE. So my opinion of this study and its methodology are limited. However, it is important to note that this study was disregarded in a thread at Thundersplace. The methodology and the studies manner of peer review, or lack thereof, were called into question. A member who is a statistician by trade was among those who dismissed the study as credible. There may be another study that examined the effects of an extender on Peyronie's disease patients that may indicate length gains; however, I suggest one exercises caution in interpreting the results of that study as well for the same reasons listed above for the study that examined the efficacy of a pump on Peyronie's disease curvature. The andromedical extender studies are funded and peer reviewed by andromedical and thus are to be disregarded. Anyone with faith in industry funded studies should look at how the FDA has handled andromedical and their "studies".
I think some PE length gains may be possible based on anecdotal evidence from all the PE forums. Almost all cases lose their girth gains after quitting and many report losing at least some length gains. So are gains permanent? I don't think girth gains are, but some length gains appear possible. I believe PE is riskier than it appears on the forums. I think all members should read the injury threads and honestly take warning to what those members are saying. I noticed changes in only 1 session of jelqing, which the changes appeared progressively worse across the 3 sessions that followed. Some members don't have serious injuries while doing more extreme techniques, some have permanent damage from doing the newbie routine.
Is it worth the risk? Not for me personally. Of course this is for each person to decide for themselves. If you do decide to do PE, start very easily and be cautious. Make note of exactly how your penis works and functions before starting. Analyze any changes. Be very careful who you take advice from. Of all the PE forums I have been on, only 2 members claim to be physicians and only 1 is an active member. So if anyone gives you medical advice regarding your penis, please put it into perspective. If you do not have insurance or ready access to a urologist, you should be even more cautious about starting PE.
I will continue to monitor my dorsal vein. If I experience any further changes in appearance or sexual function I will make an appointment with the urologist. I will keep the forum updated if the condition worsens or doesn't improve. Good luck with whatever you decide to do regarding PE, stay safe.
Last edited by Johndoe; 12-13-2010 at 03:20 PM. Reason: syntax