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  1. 03-12-2012 #1
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    Okay, so after collecting all this information from site members, I am pretty much 99.99999999% sure that I will be able to use PE effectively to increase my size. I have made notes on precautions, the Physiological Indicators post (the name of the poster slips my mind) was extremely useful and reassuring.

    I have done some other research, like the Wikipedia page for penis enlargement, articles that suggest other things and all these university professors saying it's impossible and if it is possible, it is extremely dangerous. Here are a few things I have found out: The first one may unnerve you, but can be avoided if you don't over-train and/or use PE in a misguided fashion:

    1. A few professors said it was indeed possible to increase the length of one's penis through jelqing and stretching, but they say it through pure brute-force of creating new cells, which can be scar tissue... Now, this is possible to happen to anyone. This is the main reason why people can develop erectile dysfunction after an injury: The key word here, I quote from the maleenchancementcoach.com blog: "... Then there’s the claim that exercises may cause scar tissue build up. Scar tissue in the penis is usually a result of a severe fracture or actual break in the penis. ... In all my years of training, I’ve yet to hear of anyone complaining of scar tissue build up caused by penis enlargement exercises. The penis is a remarkably tough organ, and to think that you can cause scar tissue build up from following a sensible routine is something that should be backed up by proof- not supposition." (Myths of Penile Exercising | meCoach) ... Some professors and doctors even say it is only possible to increase the length or girth of a penis by creating scar tissue alone, but I, for one, very much doubt a 'sensible routine' which doesn't involve any extreme use of pressure on the penis would casually cause scar tissue.

    2. The penis is not a muscle? That is mainly a yes, which I have gathered research on. A lot of dimwitted people, who say this on a see-for-yourself basis, say "Well, the penis must be a muscle, because you can flex and move it..." Clearly, ANYONE who knows about kegels, let alone some in-depth knowledge on the anatomy of perineum will know that is the use of the PC muscle (or pelvic floor muscles, a complicated thing with plurals there) - probably the only skeletal muscle (muscle that can be strengthened and enlarged through repetitive strain) in association with the penis. The only actual muscle in the penis is smooth muscle, which cannot be naturally strengethend and enlarged: Personally, I don't consider this 'muscle', we all think of biceps and triceps when we hear muscle. Therefore, I stick with the statement that the penis is not a muscle, but that does not mean it cannot be enlarged... (some info taken from The Penis is a Muscle!)

    3. If the penis is not a muscle, how can it be strengthed and enlarged through PE? I see a lot of long-timers say 'it is healthy to jelq' or 'it isn't dangerous as long as you are slow and careful'... The second one I agree with, but the first one, I oppose, in a small sense: I'm going to mirror PE with being an alcohol user: Everyone, when talking about alcohol, says "It's fine to have a drink every once in a while, but if you over-do it, you can damage yourself..." Some studies even suggested alcohol can be healthy when consumed appropiately (Red wine bullshit) ... I believe that alcohol, being a poison, cannot be healthy for you in any way possible. But, if done with moderation, i.e. you have a few drinks one night then lay off for a week, two weeks or a month, everything will return to normal again (depending on how much you drank and the strength of the alcohol) ... Now, it may seem I have tangented, but I am now going to get to the point. Cell-building in the penis is done through breaking down the oils and proteins that hold the cells in your penis together (through the warm-up) and creating new cells while you have the structure in a vulnerable position (through stretching) ... This is not a normal form of growth, it is purely how the penis reacts to adapt to the situation. Does the alcohol mirror seem pointless now? Well, now I'm going to finish the comparison: The liver also does not expect to be under attack when you drink, it has an awful lot of work to do, unfamiliar work in fact when one is still new to drinking: Building a higher tolerance to alcohol can be mirrored to PE as your penis adapting to this on-going situation, all the while getting a little bit damaged, but it rebuilds itself through the breaks you take, just like the recovery of your liver (which goes from inflamed to neutral over time). Henceforth, I consider PE (especially stretching) as dangerous and alien in some circumstances but when used effectively and in moderation, it isn't fatal to your penis or entirely unhealthy: Days off are even more important as training days. Alcohol/PE rant over.

    I wrote this not only to assure other people out there, but also to assure myself. I've done a lot of research and a lot of the information I have been taking on-board had an equal chance of pushing me onward AND pushing me away from the idea of PE. Now that I am satisfied on my knowledge, I know the risks, I know the science (although not fully), I am going to start writing my plan which I will put up for analysis before beginning on the 1st April.

    I hope this helps, if anyone opposes anything I've said, please share with me your views. I am not being entirely factual, a lot of it is my personal subjective opinion from a scientific stand-point.

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    Thanks, good post. Only thing I disagree with is that you think PE and alcohol are not healthy. It's proven that a glass of red wine a night can significantly improve overall health and lower risks of certain illnesses. Likewise, I plan on continuing PE when I reach my goals for the fact that jelqing combined with a kegel/reverse kegel can completely cure ED and Pre-E. Why do you think EQ improves from PE if it's not healthy? Seems like every time someone in their 30s-40s or even older comes on here that as soon as they start jelqing their EQ improves dramatically as does their libido, and the result is a huge improvement in their sex life. I'm convinced that PE is extremely healthy for your penis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BTBrian View Post
    Thanks, good post. Only thing I disagree with is that you think PE and alcohol are not healthy. It's proven that a glass of red wine a night can significantly improve overall health and lower risks of certain illnesses. Likewise, I plan on continuing PE when I reach my goals for the fact that jelqing combined with a kegel/reverse kegel can completely cure ED and Pre-E. Why do you think EQ improves from PE if it's not healthy? Seems like every time someone in their 30s-40s or even older comes on here that as soon as they start jelqing their EQ improves dramatically as does their libido, and the result is a huge improvement in their sex life. I'm convinced that PE is extremely healthy for your penis.
    Ahhh, there is one thing I missed out. With the 'PE is unhealthy' point, I stand by in a small sense: I believe that increasing the size of the penis is unhealthy for the tissue itself: Anything with health risks is unhealthy, the word risks causes my belief in PE being dangerous. EQ, for another matter, is done by kegels, which is considered penis exercise, but it's actually exercising the pelvic floor muscles, henceforth, it's technically not PE, but is considered PE due to the erectile advantages. Kegels are definitely healthy, I agree with that wholely, kegels are actually strengthening and enlarging a skeletal muscle.
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    Jelqing by itself also causes big EQ gains for a lot of people. I see what you're saying now though in the sense that it's unhealthy because it can be dangerous.
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    so 'working out' or playing a sport is unhealthy because there is a risk of injury.?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenshomi View Post
    so 'working out' or playing a sport is unhealthy because there is a risk of injury.?
    Yep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenshomi View Post
    so 'working out' or playing a sport is unhealthy because there is a risk of injury.?
    Yes and no. Sport is healthy in the sense it can improve your cardio and your strength. When someone breaks a leg and can't play football for the rest of his life, i.e. Dean Ashton, you could call that an unhealthy circumstance. Something that has health risks is potentially unhealthy. And working out in itself can be unhealthy in many ways, such as overtraining, tearing things etc. Jogging alone, without knees-up most of the time, can lead to severe arthritis in the future.

    I see what you mean, but you are taking my opinion in it's most objective form and not seeing my inbetween mentality.
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    Manual PE is not proven yet so scientists don't know how it works, if done right you will never need viagra and you will increase size, double win.
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    I've been Jelqing and stretching for over two months now and I'm honestly having trouble imagining how someone can hurt them self. Jelqing is quite frankly, a bit harder concentrated form of a handjob. Yes there are many differences but come on, think about it. My wife has given me rough handjobs harder than I jelq. I can see how stretching can cause injury but you would have to be ignoring your body and trying to pull it off.

    I have had zero negative effects from PE so I will continue down this path while closely monitoring my body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopeful&dedicated View Post
    I've been Jelqing and stretching for over two months now and I'm honestly having trouble imagining how someone can hurt them self. Jelqing is quite frankly, a bit harder concentrated form of a handjob. Yes there are many differences but come on, think about it. My wife has given me rough handjobs harder than I jelq. I can see how stretching can cause injury but you would have to be ignoring your body and trying to pull it off.

    I have had zero negative effects from PE so I will continue down this path while closely monitoring my body.
    Well said, but remember, everyone is different. The penis is a very strong and versatile thing, but people have reported injuries, some minor and some really serious. I would say these people are far off outside the safe boundaries - just because it hasn't affected you doesn't mean it won't affect anyone else. One thing that I read about was that scar tissue can form underneath the exterior penis skin, which is something that is questionable, but still unnerving to think it could be something that's happening without you being able to see it.

    Regardless, I am not anti-PE, I am just being extremely intuitive before starting my journey.
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