Is there any wonder why gains vary so wildly?

**PEWarrior2011** · 05-03-2012

TurtleProblems,
Point taken. You are referring to the shotgun approach. Yes, that is unfortunate and hopefully these guys can break that habit and sort out what is working and what isn't. The stuff that is not working could be causing them to overtrain. I agree wholeheartedly.

I read on 3 forums during my 2 sessions each weekday (1 session Sat and Sun). About 90% of what I read is what hangers write. I read lots of archived stuff by the vets.

I spend a little time now and then trying to help guys who post in the Newbie Forum at Thunders (where my handle is sheLovesIt, same on Bibs forum in case anyone is wondering) .

I too have run across the complicated jelq and stretch routines, wondered a little about it and decided that was not for me. I typically comment when these guys want to start hanging and have questions.

Based on almost a decade of PE, I have determined that I need to put in around 18-20 hrs a week of actual hangtime to keep my length gains creeping along. I hit a plateau with a one-on-one-off routine. Hence my opinion that I have a Type II TA. I may be a Type III given the work I have to do to gain. The reason that I lean toward Type II is that I gain girth easily.

My length goal is 8 and I sometimes think I need to have a breakthrough in hanging technique to get there. All positive energy I assure you.

Hopefully the guys with the overly complicated heavy routines that you point out will do some sort of analysis to make it as efficient as possible.

Maybe they just like certain excercises and go overboard on them. Who doesn't like jelqing and edging to porn. I cannot hang to porn but if I could I would.

Most of you have heard this joke so bear with me.

Why does a dog lick his cock?
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Because he can!!!

PEWarrior2011

**GoingForGold** · 05-04-2012

No offense taken, I simply believe my penis is type III from my understanding of anatomy. Wouldn't more layers mean more potential girth? More = More, right? And the study says more sturdy and as I said... very sturdy, sometimes I feel too much so.
I agree with what you're saying about growing taking more work and effort, but if you penis is more rigorous, it can handle such work and effort early on in the PE experience. 6 months for some of the exercises? psshh I never worry about injury by hand because I know the force that is being applied and what I can handle. I have heard about newbie gains and I assumed these were sed gains
However, I think overall size has less to do with the number of layers, and more to do with blood-flow and genetics. And of course, your workout.
And you think I'm being modest... did you see my long-time goal?

**PEWarrior2011** · 05-05-2012

>No offense taken, I simply believe my penis is type III from my understanding of anatomy. Wouldn't more layers mean more potential girth? More = More, right? <

I don't think so. If your erection has to struggle against 2 circumferential layer its entire adolescent life then it is probably going to be smaller that if there was only one (Type II) or zero (Type 1) to contend with.

>And the study says more sturdy and as I said... very sturdy, sometimes I feel too much so.<

You may have a Type I with exceptional EQ. Good on you man.
I sited Mandingo as a probable Type I but with a crease-able TA. He may have some early signs of ED. In the old days it was thought that there were lots of guys with big dicks but they could not keep them erect without Viagra. I have a vid were Lexington Steel looses his erection and struggles to keep it up for the money shot. Same with Mr 14 Inch (Older Dude). It took him the whole vid to get erect. Viagra is 14 years old. Maybe this is the reason for some of these erection faux pas.

>I agree with what you're saying about growing taking more work and effort, but if you penis is more rigorous, it can handle such work and effort early on in the PE experience. 6 months for some of the exercises? psshh I never worry about injury by hand because I know the force that is being applied and what I can handle. I have heard about newbie gains and I assumed these were sed gains
However, I think overall size has less to do with the number of layers, and more to do with blood-flow and genetics. And of course, your workout.
And you think I'm being modest... did you see my long-time goal?

Biggest penis in the world... Hmmm. More power to ya!
Modest in the sense that you are gaining like a Type I and thinking that you are a Type III.

In my opinion your starting girth is indicative of Type I all by itself. The easy length gains, complete the picture.

WE EXPECT BIG THINGS FROM YOU!

PEWarrior2011

**PEWarrior2011** · 05-05-2012

>No offense taken, I simply believe my penis is type III from my understanding of anatomy. Wouldn't more layers mean more potential girth? More = More, right? <

I don't think so. If your erection has to struggle against 2 circumferential layer its entire adolescent life then it is probably going to be smaller that if there was only one (Type II) or zero (Type 1) to contend with.

>And the study says more sturdy and as I said... very sturdy, sometimes I feel too much so.<

You may have a Type I with exceptional EQ. Good on you man.
I sited Mandingo as a probable Type I but with a crease-able TA. He may have some early signs of ED. In the old days it was thought that there were lots of guys with relly big dicks but they had trouble getting and maintaining erection. I have a vid were Lexington Steel looses his erection and struggles to keep it up for the money shot. Same with Mr 14 Inch (Older Dude). It took him the whole vid to get semi erect and shake off his few drops. Viagra is 14 years old. Surely these guys all take Viagra before a shoot. This may be the achille's heel of Type I so you may want to research this. The Corpus Cavernosum (CC) needs the ridgidity of the tunica to contain the erection. If the tunica is too elastic then there may be venous leakage and hence a compromised erection.

>I agree with what you're saying about growing taking more work and effort, but if you penis is more rigorous, it can handle such work and effort early on in the PE experience. 6 months for some of the exercises? psshh I never worry about injury by hand because I know the force that is being applied and what I can handle. I have heard about newbie gains and I assumed these were sed gains
However, I think overall size has less to do with the number of layers, and more to do with blood-flow and genetics. And of course, your workout.
And you think I'm being modest... did you see my long-time goal?

Biggest penis in the world... Hmmm. More power to ya!
Modest in the sense that you are gaining like a Type I and thinking that you are a Type III.

In my opinion your starting girth is indicative of Type I all by itself. The easy length gains, complete the picture.

WE EXPECT BIG THINGS FROM YOU!

PEWarrior2011

**thenewdude** · 05-05-2012

Originally Posted by PEWarrior2011

Your sig says: 3-25-12: Measured: 8" x 6.5" (+.5" x .25" in ~8 weeks) and you think that you are Type III?
Stick around and read my friend. I doubt that you are Type III. Probably a very modest Type I. Also please don't tell us you are not a newbie.

I will try harder not to sound judgemental about my opinion of what the implications of having a particular tunica are.

Personally I would rather know what I was up against and tailor my routine as needed.

PEWarriro2011

Yeah, I highly doubt them stats at all even if the EQ is better unless perhaps he got the same bean that Jack got from the bean stock.

**PEWarrior2011** · 05-05-2012

thenewdude,
I don't question GFG's stats. He is not off the charts. If you allow for some newbie measurement error then IMO his gains claim is in the newbie ball bark.

Again, especially if he is in the 7% of guys with a Type I TA.

Again, think newbie Type I TA.

Another question for GFG is how old is he and how much sex/masturbation has he performed.

PEWarrior2011

**GoingForGold** · 05-06-2012

Like I said in the sig, those were estimated numbers as of 2/2/12. If I had a ruler, I would have used one, but those were measurements I had in my head from previous measurements. Although they were impressive gains, I have put in impressive work, ballooning for more than an hour at times and then vigorously working out in the shower where blood pressure is at a minimum and therefore blood flow at a maximum. And I thoroughly expect to meat my goal on Friday.

As for my age, I turned 21 in February and am still experiencing very minor growth in my back, arms and legs. My penis was growing very slowly before PE, but never enough to notice the way I am now.
I have masturbated possibly 2500 times in my life give or take 500. And I have sexed quite a bit with my current girlfriend, maybe 500 times. I've had amazing sessions with her that last hours and once I even came twice in one go. Besides her, I've maybe had sex 35 times? But what does that matter?

**BigO** · 06-24-2012

If one was a type 1, 2 or 3 they would never know just by guessing because they think they are a certain type. Many just find what works off the bat and get the gains, others may go about PE the wrong way for years and then find something that works and believe that it is the holy grail of exercises when in fact if they had found the right combo earlier who knows.
Triple layered tunica will not grow faster in length or girth because it is thicker to begin with. All gains would be slow and these are the types we read who have put in many hours with very poor results.
You are type 1 going for gold, or you wouldnt have the gains you have had no matter what you have done. The other factor is that you had not measured from the onset but are saying thos gains are certain numbers, too bad you never measured because now you wont know the exact gains but never the less congrats, you definately have made gains.

**Sirnutsalot** · 06-25-2012

Originally Posted by TurtleProblems

Have you read some of these posts here and on other enlargement sites? Some of these guys routines are just pure insanity. 5-7 days a week of aiming in the dark with hundreds of jelqs. They're so much mindlessly aiming in the dark that they don't even know to interpret their own personal Pi's. Worst of all they started off on the wrong path from the beggining, with the begginer routine which still put them right into overtraining and they never realized it. So what happens after that? They add on even more. Fastward a year later and it's time to measure, same measurement or very minimal gains.

Then frustration sets in and they stop for awhile. Then they get interested again, and go to give it one more shot, but first to take another measurement. Much to their surprise... They somehow made a gain on their off time. Turns out they were the less is more guy and never realized it. WORST OF ALL.......................... They do it all over again and continue to always stay on that path of slow gains.

Really sounds like you're describing me.

**pterodactyl** · 06-25-2012

Thanks for this thread PEWarrior. I believe i am typeIII. Long, thin, and rigid. Even in the pump i dont realy get very much girth expansion. I do get .5 to .75in length though. Something to think about for sure.