Is there any wonder why gains vary so wildly?

[PEWarrior2011]

Some men can jelq and stretch their way to penis greatness in less than a year.

Other men need to hang and clamp to see anything happen and it may take a couple years to get decent results.

This article may shed light on what is probably the root cause of the wide distribution of results men see.

I have written several posts now where I referred to the multiple layers of the tunica. It did not get much attention so I thought I would show that I did not grab that information out of thin air.

Histologic study of the tunica albuginea... [Arch Androl. 2006 Jan-Feb] - PubMed - NCBI

Numerical Summary
The number of subjects was 28

TA Type I - 2/28 (7%) had 1 layer (longitudinal)
TA Type II - 20/28 (71%) had 2 layers (inner circular and outer longitudinal)
TA Type III - 6/28 (21%) had 3 layers (inner circular, middle longitudinal and outer circular)

I will leave it up to you to consider each Type of TA and any inherent length and/or girth advantages/disadvantages.

I cannot stick around to discuss this so have fun without me.

PEWarrior2011

[CUSP82]

I just chalk it up to "that's they way it is"!

[TurtleProblems]

Not only that, but there's also the reality that most people are mindlessly aiming in the dark when it comes to routines and don't realize when they're doing far too much. I would guess guys with 3 layers will need more work, and guys with 1 layer need less work to get optimal results. Guys with 2 layers, well... I don't know. I guess they would fall somewhere in the middle.

[malehanger]

Not only that, but there's also the reality that most people are mindlessly aiming in the dark when it comes to routines and don't realize when they're doing far too much. I would guess guys with 3 layers will need more work, and guys with 1 layer need less work to get optimal results. Guys with 2 layers, well... I don't know. I guess they would fall somewhere in the middle.

Agreed, and let's not forget that there are other variables involved. Things like....oh, we don't really know what a guy is actually doing other than what he TELLS US. This is the internet after all and honesty does not have to be the law of the land so to speak. Also, if a guy is going the "manual" route, men vary greatly in physical strength, mental endurance, motivations, and dedication levels. These factors play HUGE into how a guy may, or may not gain.

If a guy is using a device for PE, similar rules still apply. Dedication, consistency, etc. YES, there are variations in penis anatomy and such, but the variations and variables I have mentioned still apply. You could also add in how persistent a guy is to find a method that works for him. Does he give up when the first method fails? Does he keep persisting and trying other methods?

What is the average guy after in gains? Usually an inch in length, girth, and sometimes both. So, most guys have very small goals to begin with and enter into the PE community with (usually) a very high level of skepticism.

[PEWarrior2011]

I totally agree that there are a lot of variables which overlay the PE Gains landscape.

The one variable that malehanger mentioned about guys saying that they do Routine A on the forums when in fact they are doing 1/2 of Routine A, 1/4 Routine B, and 1/4 Routine C, is particularly damaging to guys who model their routines after these guys due to the gains they may or may not be getting.

One thing that keeps coming to my mind, as a hard gainer, is the Type I guys (the lucky dogs). Big out of the chute and can gain just by jelqing. When you read these guys progress logs, it's like, "What the hell is wrong with me?".

I think that Mandingo is Type I. I have a few videos of him and in one particular scene he is getting oral. His phone rings and he answers. The girl does NOT stop working on him, he seems to get truly engrossed in the phone message, and he looses his erection. Guess what... Mandingo is a grower! The girl was able to take all of him in her mouth and when he pulled out it was flaccid and barely impressive by porn standards. A chink in the armor of Mandingo. Who would have thought? IMO being a grower may be a trait of Type I TA's. Type I guys do not have a circular layer to restrict inflation in the circumferential direction. That's grower-like for sure.

In another Mandingo scene he is just starting to penetrate this gorgeous blond and she is starting to flinch and tighten up as he enters her and guess what? Mandingo dick can bend to the point that it creases and folds significantly. IMO, TA creasing is a dead give away for type I. I cannot crease like that while 100% erect, it would rupture my TA.

I am probably Type II because I have gained both length and girth. I masturbated a lot in my teens so my potential PE gains where partially developed during that period of my life.

I also have a comment on Type III. These guys have two circular layers sandwiching a longitudinal layer. Guys that gain length ok but have a hard time with girth might be Type III. They may also have smaller girth to begin with because durng ther younger "growing" years their TA's were "girth bound" by that double circular layer.

It would be interesting if each guy after reading this speculated on what type he is and then do a pol and see if the percentages come anywhere near the percentages found in the study.

PEWarrior2011

[PEWarrior2011]

Not only that, but there's also the reality that most people are mindlessly aiming in the dark when it comes to routines and don't realize when they're doing far too much. I would guess guys with 3 layers will need more work, and guys with 1 layer need less work to get optimal results. Guys with 2 layers, well... I don't know. I guess they would fall somewhere in the middle.

I am not convinced that overtraining is all that common. Most guys who have overtrained have experience negative PI's. They might cross the line every now and then but I have a hard time believing that a large number of guys are running their PI's into the ground and staying there.

Keep in mind that depending on your Type TA, you may perceive a different type to be overtraining or undertraining.

The Type I guy looks around and sees people doing tons of work and not much to show for it. Must be overtraining, right?

The Type III guy who is working very hard to eek out a girth gain is thinking that Type I (with a 6-7 inch girth) is a BS'er!

Type II are just kind of cruising and hoping that they keep gaining.

There are going to be fast gainers and there are going to be slow gainers. No gainers? IMO anyone can gain something with the right knowledge and dedication. Fortunately we are here to share that knowledge and hopefully motivate each other to gain.

PEWarrior2011

[GoingForGold]

When I first heard about the "triple-layered" tunica, I thought that was the one I had. And my girth is phenomenal so watch what you say about type 3 guys having limited girth and thinking 6-7" girth is BS. The reason I think I am type 3 is because my penis is very rigid and doesn't bend easily.

[thenewdude]

There are pro's and con's with each group.
Those with a single layer tunica may gain faster but also can loose faster having need of more maintenance and harder to cement while others with more may have to work harder to gain but do with less injuries and have an easier time cementing the gains due to more fibers all together. Pro's and con's. I am one which have to work hard to gain but even when I have slacked I have not lost anything at all. All though right now I have not gained in a while but a tad of length due to traction wrapping for cementing and flaccid length, what I put into to it is still there. More fibers all together. Pro's and con's.
Personally, I would rather work hard to gain do to this than gain fast and lose some from less fibers to deal with.

[PEWarrior2011]

When I first heard about the "triple-layered" tunica, I thought that was the one I had. And my girth is phenomenal so watch what you say about type 3 guys having limited girth and thinking 6-7" girth is BS. The reason I think I am type 3 is because my penis is very rigid and doesn't bend easily.

Your sig says: 3-25-12: Measured: 8" x 6.5" (+.5" x .25" in ~8 weeks) and you think that you are Type III?
Stick around and read my friend. I doubt that you are Type III. Probably a very modest Type I. Also please don't tell us you are not a newbie.

I will try harder not to sound judgemental about my opinion of what the implications of having a particular tunica are.

Personally I would rather know what I was up against and tailor my routine as needed.

PEWarriro2011

[TurtleProblems]

I am not convinced that overtraining is all that common. Most guys who have overtrained have experience negative PI's. They might cross the line every now and then but I have a hard time believing that a large number of guys are running their PI's into the ground and staying there.

Keep in mind that depending on your Type TA, you may perceive a different type to be overtraining or undertraining.

The Type I guy looks around and sees people doing tons of work and not much to show for it. Must be overtraining, right?

The Type III guy who is working very hard to eek out a girth gain is thinking that Type I (with a 6-7 inch girth) is a BS'er!

Type II are just kind of cruising and hoping that they keep gaining.

There are going to be fast gainers and there are going to be slow gainers. No gainers? IMO anyone can gain something with the right knowledge and dedication. Fortunately we are here to share that knowledge and hopefully motivate each other to gain.

PEWarrior2011

Have you read some of these posts here and on other enlargement sites? Some of these guys routines are just pure insanity. 5-7 days a week of aiming in the dark with hundreds of jelqs. They're so much mindlessly aiming in the dark that they don't even know to interpret their own personal Pi's. Worst of all they started off on the wrong path from the beggining, with the begginer routine which still put them right into overtraining and they never realized it. So what happens after that? They add on even more. Fastward a year later and it's time to measure, same measurement or very minimal gains.

Then frustration sets in and they stop for awhile. Then they get interested again, and go to give it one more shot, but first to take another measurement. Much to their surprise... They somehow made a gain on their off time. Turns out they were the less is more guy and never realized it. WORST OF ALL.......................... They do it all over again and continue to always stay on that path of slow gains.