Calling All Gainers

[Consequences Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Consequences]

I recently just got back into PE and body building. With BB, we all know that you cannot and will not achieve results without a solid diet.

I see many gainers on here post there routines and supplemants, but what im curious about is what kind of diet do you have, if any. Do you eat pretty much whatever you want? Or do you try to lead a healthy lifestyle outside PE. There may be no correlation at all between diet and PE, but I almost have to concede that a healthy diet could result in better gains.

I know high sodium intake can raise cholesterol and blood pressure, which can restrict blood circulation. So I believe its safe to assume that for best results, try to stay away from sodium. Couldnt hurt atleast.

So anyway, some of the guys who've had gains, what kind food do you put in your body. Also, do you exercise outside of PE? Im sure a healthier diet couldnt hurt, but of thier is a correlatioj than thats all the more motivation to eat right because the benefits would be three fold!

[Project-9 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Project-9]

Sodium is good for you, dont avoid it. If your diet is healthy..AKA no processed foods then salt as your palate desires, when you train you need more salt. Another news flash, Cholesterol danger is a myth, you need cholesterol , if you dont get enough through diet then your body manufactures it. Its what makes hormones and a huge part of cellular repair.

ANIMAL FAT GOOD...Its the vegetable oil thats the real killer and the main cause of hear disease.

A clean diet WILL help your gains, remove all road block to progress, if your body is struggling with a poor diet then it wont be able to direct all its energy into healing you. Both your gym work and your PE are breaking down your body to build it back up. Just common sense to give it every opportunity to succeed.
I have a 90% clean diet and i train 4 times a week. 3 x resistance training, lift heavy or you are wasting your time.

Good luck with it.

[DemOne Banned Find all posts View Profile Close DemOne]

I eat relatively healthy, but it's mostly unstructured, what ever I feel like eating within a certain calorie intake range. I stay away from foods high in fat and sugary stuff (other than fruits) and mostly lots of organic stuff.

So long as you're healthy, PE will be fine. Diet itself doesn't directly effect PE unless you're someone who lives off of fast food and isn't getting a balanced diet.

[Handcramp Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Handcramp]

I eat a very low carb carnivorous diet. Some refer to it as 'Paleo'. No grains, no sugars, no refined starches, no vegetable oils. Dropped about 30 pounds without hunger, and without initiating any special exercise routines. I took my body out of an energy accumulation and storage mode caused by the abundant carbs I'd been eating. Weight just melted away, and fasting blood sugar is usually in the 70s. I eat a diet that would make most physicians and dietitians cringe. Their conventional wisdom is as wrong as that about natural penis enlargement.

[Going411x7 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Going411x7]

I eat mainly vegetables, and I drink gallons of green tea, besides gallons of water.
I take many supplements to keep my circulation up to par. I also do cardio
exercises: lap swimming.

More specifically with the diet, I do eat a lot of fish, and some poultry, and
eggs, of course.

I try to avoid foods that set off craving, mainly fruit in my case, although I enjoy all the
berries, which are highly recommended by all the food gurus.

I try to follow the acronym, "gomb." Think of comb, replacing the "c" of comb
with a "g.": eat these four foods or groups of foods: g--greens; o--onions;
m--mushrooms; b-berries.

There are vegetables that are complete proteins, so you don't really need any
animal foods, and the more I follow this food program, the less I enjoy
any meats, really.

I love the example of the gorilla--quite a husky fellow, and strictly a vegetarian.

I am diabetic, and this food program has reduced my border-line high readings to
perfectly normal ones. I hope to soon go off all diabetes meds. Yes, you CAN
reverse diabetes. I am in the process of doing just that.

All of these measures have resulted in much more frequent "chubbed flaccids."

And my BPEL measurements are returning to where they were after my first
six months of p.e.

[Funnypop Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Funnypop]

Lots of vegetables, especially tomatoes, meat, lots of milk, vitamins, smaller portions of each meal but more of them, like instead of the traditional three, I have five, that way your metabolism isn't working out food that piled your plate, but smaller amounts so that it can better break the things you ate into the raw materials required by your body to use for energy, also you especially want to eat food that is fat free within an hour after going to the gym, so your body digests it immediateley and your muscles are the first thing your body replenishes. Wether you want to gain weight or lose it, you need to work out your BMI or body mass index, so you know how much your daily calorie intake should be to maintain your weight then pick to lower it or raise it. Try to eat organic too.

[BTBrian Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close BTBrian]

Sodium is good for you, dont avoid it. If your diet is healthy..AKA no processed foods then salt as your palate desires, when you train you need more salt. Another news flash, Cholesterol danger is a myth, you need cholesterol , if you dont get enough through diet then your body manufactures it. Its what makes hormones and a huge part of cellular repair.

ANIMAL FAT GOOD...Its the vegetable oil thats the real killer and the main cause of hear disease.

Yikes.. cholesterol danger is not a myth. Too many LDLs is one of the biggest risks for heart attacks that there is. Obviously you need some cholesterol but the amount that most Americans get in their diet is way way too high. Why do you think that vegetable oils are bad for you? Because they raise you're bad cholesterol levels!

I eat a very low carb carnivorous diet. Some refer to it as 'Paleo'. No grains, no sugars, no refined starches, no vegetable oils. Dropped about 30 pounds without hunger, and without initiating any special exercise routines. I took my body out of an energy accumulation and storage mode caused by the abundant carbs I'd been eating. Weight just melted away, and fasting blood sugar is usually in the 70s. I eat a diet that would make most physicians and dietitians cringe. Their conventional wisdom is as wrong as that about natural penis enlargement.

Uh.. no their wisdom about nutrition is not wrong. Yea you can lose a ton of weight by not eating many carbs, but that is also extremely unhealthy! Your nervous system needs an absolute bare minimum of 50g of carbs a day to function properly. Yes, you will lose a lot of fat because your body will be forced to break down fat for energy, but too much of this will result in ketosis and ketoacidosis which is very dangerous. I don't understand why people constantly try to lose weight in such unhealthy ways instead of just being patient and loosing weight the correct and healthy way. Besides all that, unrefined grains contain tons of minerals that you don't get in other food sources.

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Yikes.. cholesterol danger is not a myth. Too many LDLs is one of the biggest risks for heart attacks that there is. Obviously you need some cholesterol but the amount that most Americans get in their diet is way way too high. Why do you think that vegetable oils are bad for you? Because they raise you're bad cholesterol levels!



Uh.. no their wisdom about nutrition is not wrong. Yea you can lose a ton of weight by not eating many carbs, but that is also extremely unhealthy! Your nervous system needs an absolute bare minimum of 50g of carbs a day to function properly. Yes, you will lose a lot of fat because your body will be forced to break done fat for energy, but too much of this will result in ketosis and ketoacidosis which is very dangerous. I don't understand why people constantly try to lose weight in such unhealthy ways instead of just being patient and loosing weight the correct and healthy way. Besides all that, unrefined grains contain tons of minerals that you don't get in other food sources.

Because the majority of people are stupid and lazy and want things now.

[bigmoe5067 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bigmoe5067]

Project 9....please do not give nutritional advice you are not equipped to give. Please disregard his post. his premise on both diet and training are flawed. and you back up none of your statements. workout plans should be well rounded and based on specificity.

The paleo diet is an effective "diet" plan, not health plan. Paleolithic humans/humanoids didnt live as long as health concious people today for a reason.

animal cholesterol is bad. the best cholesterol is produced internally, same can be said for DHA, and most amino acids using plant derivatives.

sodium intake should never break over 2500mg, but should really be under 2000mg a day.

modern nutrition and advocated nutrition are not in alignment. i can drag up studies to show you why you will not live as long eating paleo as opposed to vegetarian. i dont eat that much carbs, and i eat no meat or eggs at all.

and no milk, and no vitamins (unless we are talking D, B and zinc) everything else you can get through a natural diet


an ideal diet should be 50% minimum vegetation (half cooked, half raw) 10-20% fruit 10-20 grain/oat, 10-20 %nuts 10-20 % beans/lentils

[bigmoe5067 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bigmoe5067]

this thread needs this man. if your going to follow a diet plan, follow someone whose recommendations are based sole on statistical data, using a massive collection of studies to solidy his points.
Dr. Joel Fuhrman Improves Health - Lose Weight Naturally | Reverse Diabetes | Prevent Heart Disease and Cancer | Lower Cholesterol


now you may not want to do this diet for its perceived blandness. he discusses eating psychology and rewiring our taste preferences, but even making moderate changes to a diet like this will have massive impacts on your health, and then PE gains. if you read into nutrition, take into consideration a variety of studies, it will eventually take you to a 90% minimum vegetarian diet styled plan. i believe he best portrays why it is the best.

nutritarianism at its best

[BTBrian Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close BTBrian]

I was really hoping you'd see this thread bigmoe, the lack of correct info when I read this thread was kind of scary lol.

[DemOne Banned Find all posts View Profile Close DemOne]

I was really hoping you'd see this thread bigmoe, the lack of correct info when I read this thread was kind of scary lol.

Now if only he'd bring some light to the favorite supplements thread...

[bigmoe5067 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bigmoe5067]

supplements.....the best one is cruciferous vegetables

im in favor of arginine ethyl ester for PE. im not very big on supplements. i used to be, until i realized your body prefers the most natural source.

the only things i could see supplementing would be DHA if your diet is lacking, and Vitamin D(2), and maybe zinc and elderberry extract if you have an infection. also a whole B vitamin since a nutritarian diet kind of neglects the B's acquired through meat consumption.

[Handcramp Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Handcramp]

The paleo diet is an effective "diet" plan, not health plan. Paleolithic humans/humanoids didnt live as long as health concious people today for a reason.

It is an outstanding health plan, when quality animal sources are consumed. Paleolithic humans were more robust, and had on average larger brains than moderns. Isotopic studies of skeletal/tooth remains demonstrate that animal proteins (and therefore animal fats) were foundational.

Life expectancy derives from numerous factors, but everyone coming from the veg perspective zeros in on diet as being the principal factor. At all stages of life, Paleolithic humans were on average healthier than us. By far and away, today's life expectancy is an artifact of the war on infectious disease, coupled with 20th Century advances in critical care medicine. We can save you from injuries that before were almost certainly fatal. We can also medicate you into multiple years of 'existence' with a host of degenerative diseases--have a look in any assisted care living facility. And among the more important influences in life expectancy among Paleolithic and contemporary 'primitives' was plain old homicide. Humans are violent, no different than our chimp cousins.

Across the globe, one common factor presented itself to western explorers encountering non-industrial/non-agricultural societies--absence of the 'diseases of civilization' (CVD, diabetes, obesity, periodontal disease). Those very diseases, well-known to the trained medical specialists sent to the colonial outposts, appeared among the native peoples as soon as they adopted the foodstuffs brought by to colonizers.

Inuit traditionally survived and thrived on a diet virtually devoid of plant matter. Northern Plains tribes ('Buffalo Peoples') likewise subsisted on a plant-poor diet. The Masai men, during the Moran phase of life (warrior caste), lived on blood, milk (whole and fat rich) and meat from their cattle. All of these people were phenomenally healthy until the loss or giving up of their traditional diets.

animal cholesterol is bad. the best cholesterol is produced internally, same can be said for DHA, and most amino acids using plant derivatives.

Bullshit. Animal cholesterol is exactly what you make every day, all day. What you eat, in terms of cholesterol, has almost no bearing on serum cholesterol. Cholesterol is essential to life. It comprises a major percentage of your brain by weight. It is essential to the health and function of every cell. It is the basis of synthesis of critical hormones, not least of which is testosterone.

There are no magic vegetables, no special plant source amino acids.

sodium intake should never break over 2500mg, but should really be under 2000mg a day.

modern nutrition and advocated nutrition are not in alignment. i can drag up studies to show you why you will not live as long eating paleo as opposed to vegetarian. i dont eat that much carbs, and i eat no meat or eggs at all.

Even sodium is finally being given exoneration by recent medical research. The alleged role of sodium in high blood pressure is actually rooted in the chronically elevated insulin levels caused by excessive carb intake, in particular sugars and refined starches such as wheat flour. Insulin drives the kidneys to conserve sodium. There is no alternative then but for the body to retain water to maintain sodium balance. Remove the carbs, the insulin plummets, and the kidneys promptly pull excess sodium. Low carbers almost always note a rapid loss of weight in the first few days of diet change--that is rapid loss of retained water once the kidneys are freed to do what they do. I have no fear of salt.

No need to drag up studies showing how I'm about to drop dead from eating Paleo. You need look no further than much of that body of 'research' to see shining examples of scientific incompetence. I spent much of 2011 immersed in research related to diet and health. It was fucking eye opening, to say the least. I am, and have long been, a lover of science. I discarded religion just out of high school. Majored in the sciences in college. My position is that there is no other reliable way to discover how the world works. It was dismaying in the extreme to see how badly science is done, how much of that gets published in peer-reviewed journals, and how often dissenting views don't get aired. Here in the States you need only "Follow the money" to see where much of the problem lies. Research doesn't get done without funding. Much funding comes from commercial interests. Look at how the Big Pharma operates.[/QUOTE]

an ideal diet should be 50% minimum vegetation (half cooked, half raw) 10-20% fruit 10-20 grain/oat, 10-20 %nuts 10-20 % beans/lentils

Tell that to the Inuit, Lakota, Masai, and numerous other traditional cultures.

[bigmoe5067 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bigmoe5067]

im not a nutritionist. i study nutrition though. i even do graduate nutrition research. research suggests longevity and wellness are associated with diets that comprise less than 10% from animal protein. animal protein and fat offers no micronutrient density.

ideal diets are indgenous to specific areas. the ability for mass transport of nutrition from around the world is what makes ideal nutrition possible.

cholesterol is cholesterol...no one is argueing that. but if produced internally you dont get all the negative health affects of consuming animal protein or animal fat.

there is no proof that paleolithic humans were healthier than humans of ideal health in current times. zero proof of that. im not talking about average health and the health epidemic of ignorant populations. im talking about ideal nutrition and healthy populations using the evolution of man to their advantage. i dont think paleolithic humans were hitting the century mark.

if you look at the longest living culture in asia/india, they all have diets that are about 90% vegetative.

Paleo diets arent terrible. but their core concepts are void of evolution and using technology as a benefit, and true nutritional understanding as a means to create an ideal natural diet. its undoubtedly better than contemporary western diets.

plain and simple...meat and dairy significantly increase your risk of cancer, and cardiovascular disease. even in studies done in non westerned civilizations. any diet that crutches on meat, no matter how clean, adds more risks to their health than someone who does not.

have fun on your paleo diet. you will most likely be very healthy until your liver gives away or you die of colon cancer, or maybe you will be lucky.

and plants are full of amino acids...there is more protein in 100 calories of kale than there is in 100 kcals of beef