Almost 4 Years, No Gains, Please Help With This Routine.

[RIB2211 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close RIB2211]

Title says it all. Won't go into too much detail about it. I have been very dedicated to PE for these years, but progress has always eluded me.

Current Status:

Great EQ when it's just me and my hand. Edging is not a problem without porn.
Average EQ when I'm with a girl. Never really get fully hard, usually ejaculate in around 2 minutes. There have been times when I have gone much longer, but they are few.
I can't remember the last time I have gotten a hard erection in the morning (morning wood). Sometimes I might wake up with one that is like 50% hard, but never a full blown one. Might've happened when I was like 15 or 16, but I don't remember.

Size:
7.5 BPEL, 6.9 NBPEL. 5.2 EG at the midshaft, 5.5 at the very bottom base.

I am 24. I am very fit and enjoy powerlifting; at 245 lbs. I did an electronic body fat reading (BodPod) last month and was at 12% body fat (with the handheld "clipper" version testing, I would've tested out at around 10%). I enjoy being this size and this strong. I also diet VERY well, do not smoke, and I am proud to say that since 2012 began, I have had a SINGLE beer (I haven't really drank since summer of 2009, oh those college days...).

I have done many different routines in the past trying to stimulate growth. From JP90, to pure clamping. I have never done hanging. Tried it once, felt very uncomfortable. Didn't want to risk damage!


My current plan for a routine is (just wrote this up, have not done it yet):

(Mon, Wed, Fri)
Warm-up 8 minutes
JP's stretching routine (20 second helicopter, 25 kegel count stretch to the LEFT, 10 rotations right, 10 rotations left. 20 second helicopter, 25 kegel count to the RIGHT, 10 rotations left, 10 rotations right. Then out, down, and up).
100 OK Jelqs
50 V-Jelqs
15 minute constant erection clamping
20 reverse kegels @ 5 seconds each
5 minute warm-down

(Tues and Thurs)
Basically the same exact thing, but instead of clamping, I'm just going to edge for 20 minutes.

Any thoughts/opinions/advice?

[DownLow Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close DownLow]

I do not know your past routines, but what is your goal? Maybe you are trying too much? Maybe you are trying too many different things? Also, and not to slight your PE efforts, but at 7.5x5.5 I am sure you can take PE in a way that allows you to be comfortable with zero size gains, but rest in the fact it is maintaining penis health.

[Steve23 Retired ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Steve23]

That was your routine for 4 years? It's pretty much jp with some clamping, after you didn't see gains in the 3 months of jp90 you should of started to add some other exercises into it..

[RIB2211 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close RIB2211]

I edited my post a little bit so it would make sense guys. This is not the routine I have done for 4 years, I have done multiple routines.

Sorry about the confusion.

My biggest frustration does not come from the lack of gain (though it is troublesome), but more so how my penis health has never improved. From edging, to reverse kegels, to whatever, nothing seems to help me gain better EQ or better stamina like so many others report.

[DownLow Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close DownLow]

Well, if your routines in the past have included many exercises, then you may want to reduce the number of exercises to one length and one girth. Do those for three months and if you see no improvements, then change it up. As for hanging, I was the same way-scared to attempt. I just started hanging again last week after a 6 month break to return to manual. I hung for a year prior. If you start light and have the right tools there is nothing to be scared of as you are certainly conditioned.

[IHaveAHugeNick Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close IHaveAHugeNick]

Maybe give BigAl a shout? He seems to be pretty good at helping guys that are hard gainers.

[RIB2211 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close RIB2211]

Well, if your routines in the past have included many exercises, then you may want to reduce the number of exercises to one length and one girth. Do those for three months and if you see no improvements, then change it up. As for hanging, I was the same way-scared to attempt. I just started hanging again last week after a 6 month break to return to manual. I hung for a year prior. If you start light and have the right tools there is nothing to be scared of as you are certainly conditioned.

You might be correct. During my first two years, I basically would pull routines off of other successful people. Once those didn't work, I tried just straight clamping, and then started to add in random exercises here and there. I would practically just try anything and see if it would "stick".

Hopefully this routine is a bit more grounded.

[RIB2211 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close RIB2211]

Maybe give BigAl a shout? He seems to be pretty good at helping guys that are hard gainers.

I was actually given one of BigAl's routines that I followed for about four months, but I never had any luck with it sadly.

If I remember correctly, it was warm up, 50 OK jelqs (increase by 10 every week), oriental massage, kegels, warm-down.

[sdaddy Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close sdaddy]

RIB,

How often do you lift? When I used to powerlift for football, I noticed that cleans, squats and deadlifts took a lot out of me. Another question-- are you getting enough rest. A lack of rest can result in weak erections and weak orgasms.

When I had weak erections with a woman, it was usually attributable to a tight condom. Have you considered investigating that avenue?

Not sure if you are looking for length or girth. If you are looking for length, you might want to incorporate some weight hanging into your routine.

Just my 2-cents.

[Going411x7 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Going411x7]

I would go back to a strict jelqing/kegeling routine to get your EQ back up where it belongs. What was your EQ when you were in your late teens? You should be able to return to the level. Your penis must be fully conditioned by now. Why don't you try jelqing on a daily basis, with a long warm-up beforehand. This brought my EQ back to 11:00, and I was 63 at the time.

[RIB2211 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close RIB2211]

RIB,

How often do you lift? When I used to powerlift for football, I noticed that cleans, squats and deadlifts took a lot out of me. Another question-- are you getting enough rest. A lack of rest can result in weak erections and weak orgasms.

When I had weak erections with a woman, it was usually attributable to a tight condom. Have you considered investigating that avenue?

Not sure if you are looking for length or girth. If you are looking for length, you might want to incorporate some weight hanging into your routine.

Just my 2-cents.

I workout Mon-Fri, basically lifting 4 times a week. I make sure I sleep at least 8 hours every night, and use ZMA to help me stay asleep. I love working out and gaining in the gym

I've never really had a problem with condoms, I've had sex with and without them, and I've noticed no difference.

I would go back to a strict jelqing/kegeling routine to get your EQ back up where it belongs. What was your EQ when you were in your
late teens? You should be able to return to the level. Your penis must be fully conditioned by now. Why don't you try jelqing on a daily
basis, with a long warm-up beforehand. This brought my EQ back to 11:00, and I was 63 at the time.

To be honest, I don't really remember having great erections. Even when I was young, I don't remember having a rock solid one when I was with a girl. I've always enjoyed sexual experiences, and I don't really think I'm nervous or anything. I'm not sure, it's just weird.

For the past few weeks (3 weeks), all I've been doing is jelqing 3x a week for a low count of 50 reps, and doing 20 kegels and 20 reverse kegels. I have not noticed any change in my EQ when I'm with my girl.

[Slow&Steady Member Find all posts View Profile Close Slow&Steady]

Did BigAl give you that routine? If not, that's probably why it didn't help. Any routine needs to be customized for your body. For example in my case I used TGC theory (https://www.pegym.com/forums/pe-theo...explained.html) to change my routine to stretch heavy as my erect length was equal to my stretched length. I also added tunica specific techniques to break down my tough tunica and suddenly started growing after 3 months of nothing. Four years is a crazy long time to not grow. If you get no growth for 3 months, something is wrong with your routine. If your stretched length is <.25" more than your erect length (all bone pressed), you are tunica limited and need to add tunica tugs or bundled stretches to break it down. If your stretched is >.25" more than your erect, you need to go with a jelque heavy routine for your smooth muscle. I'd do lots of normal slow jelques at 50-70% and very very light grip ones at 90%+ (dangerous with more than a feather light grip!!). For me the 90% jelques feel great and really stimulate girth growth. But I gripped a little too hard once and was NUMB the next day. Be careful. Good luck!

[RIB2211 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close RIB2211]

Did BigAl give you that routine? If not, that's probably why it didn't help. Any routine needs to be customized for your body. For example in my case I used TGC theory (https://www.pegym.com/forums/pe-theo...explained.html) to change my routine to stretch heavy as my erect length was equal to my stretched length. I also added tunica specific techniques to break down my tough tunica and suddenly started growing after 3 months of nothing. Four years is a crazy long time to not grow. If you get no growth for 3 months, something is wrong with your routine. If your stretched length is <.25" more than your erect length (all bone pressed), you are tunica limited and need to add tunica tugs or bundled stretches to break it down. If your stretched is >.25" more than your erect, you need to go with a jelque heavy routine for your smooth muscle. I'd do lots of normal slow jelques at 50-70% and very very light grip ones at 90%+ (dangerous with more than a feather light grip!!). For me the 90% jelques feel great and really stimulate girth growth. But I gripped a little too hard once and was NUMB the next day. Be careful. Good luck!

I just measured my stretched BPEL to see where I fall. I was .1 longer BPEL stretched than normally erect (.1 longer when measured from the side, as well as on top).

So I guess I'm tunica limited? Any suggestions on formulating a routine based on being tunica limited?

And no, BigAl did not write that routine for me individually. It was a general purpose routine that he had posted somewhere.

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I just measured my stretched BPEL to see where I fall. I was .1 longer BPEL stretched than normally erect (.1 longer when measured from the side, as well as on top).

Have a look at the TGC theory thread. You have to compare erect length against your flaccid stretched length, not erect stretched.

[mr.growmymeat Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mr.growmymeat]

I would add testicle massages and cold showers to part of your routine. I would also supplement with green tea extract ecg, omega-3, horny goat weed with tribulus and yohimbe with ginko biloba, maca root, and DIM. And try to really limit porn use.. and if you ever used Roids or Prohormones that could be part of your problems as well.