Trying out a 40 minute stretching routine.. Advice and input please!

[Lavio Member Find all posts View Profile Close Lavio]

Hi guys, Ive been here since late -12 and honestly somewhere around the second month I got completely off track and couldn't really get back into the PE swing until the last couple of weeks of last year.

When I finally decided to get back into the PE hamster wheel I decided that the JP90 routine is just way too time consuming and inefficient for me, in that I really have a difficult time to maintain a 80% hard-on during the jelqs for more than a minute. So a 12 minute session actually takes more like 20 if you account for the time to get hard again.

SO, since around late december Ive been on a completely stretch based routine. What that means is that I do 20 minutes of the regular left right up down etc stretches for 30sec/direction, then 2 x 30 sec of bundled stretches, then 30 sec V-strech, then I repeat everything. This goes for 20 minutes.

After those 20 minutes, I do 20 minutes JAI stretches. After this stretching routine I do 3 x 50sec of Uli's just to get a good girth work, too. It is very time efficient, I can basically do it on autopilot so it doesn't get boring after a while (sitting in front of the computer just surfing the net while Im pulling my cock is not difficult!) and with that amount of time Im hoping it'll amount to something.


As of today, Ive seen absolutely no gains at all, but it hasn't been more than 3-4 weeks so Im cool. But could I get some advice or input from you vets? Is it sensible to make such a stretch-focused routine or do stretches have very little value on their own and need to be complemented with something else?

[ThirdArm Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ThirdArm]

I admire your perseverance, Lavio.

The JAI's aren't too intense and are better suited as 'piss pulls' just to keep him stretched out during the day. They're so-so for an actual PE routine. I personally think that JAI's for 20 minutes is not necessary.

Consider trying an ADS to keep him stretched out during the day. Remember, this is not hanging, so keep it light/moderate/discreet. All you want to do is keep him stretched out.

How have your PI's been? That's a good deal of stretching volume.

[CompensatingForMuscleMass Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close CompensatingForMuscleMass]

I'm no vet (well I've been at it for 2 years without gains...so I know what DOESN'T work lol), but I have made most gains off only 5-10 minutes of simple helicopter/s2s stretching.

Strangely enough, all my length seems to have come from BA Squeezes. They don't do squat for girth, but they do add length in combination with the stretches. I do them 5 days a week, and after a dry spell of no/very few gains I've added another 0.1" since upping my Squeeze reps, while only stretching for 5-6 minutes.

I've also done fancy stuff like JAI, piss pulls etc and it just comes down to finding the perfect volume and NOT skipping the "girth work". With helicopters you are ALWAYS going to hit 1 angle that is an effective stretch, pulling down might just not be what you need and you would be wasting your time. I also found that I do SOMETHING wrong during jelqs, because I have had zero gains from them and is the reason I started BA's "no jelq routine".

[Lavio Member Find all posts View Profile Close Lavio]

I admire your perseverance, Lavio.

The JAI's aren't too intense and are better suited as 'piss pulls' just to keep him stretched out during the day. They're so-so for an actual PE routine. I personally think that JAI's for 20 minutes is not necessary.

Consider trying an ADS to keep him stretched out during the day. Remember, this is not hanging, so keep it light/moderate/discreet. All you want to do is keep him stretched out.

How have your PI's been? That's a good deal of stretching volume.

Thanks! I think you might be right about the JAI:s, they aren't really intense so I should probably resort to doing a minute of these after taking a piss. I did try it like a couple of months ago but suddenly I just forgot to do it and never got back to it. It isn't even hard or time consuming, it's all about getting a routine around it.

Before I try a ADS (unless someone can direct me to a cheap and efficient make-it-yourself alternative!) I want to try out this routine for at least a month more, if it doesn't give me anything at all, Ill try a jelq based routine for a month or two, and if THAT doesn't amount to anything I will try ADS/hanging etc.

My PI:s are not that good honestly. Immediately after workout it kind of turtles and I don't get those spontaneous hard ons that one can get sometimes. But I think that has to do with me going cold turkey on porn, Ive been porn free for 10 days and my libido is still completely dead (it'll be like this for at least another week, Ive done this before...). But still the turtling kind of worries me a bit.

I'm no vet (well I've been at it for 2 years without gains...so I know what DOESN'T work lol), but I have made most gains off only 5-10 minutes of simple helicopter/s2s stretching.

Strangely enough, all my length seems to have come from BA Squeezes. They don't do squat for girth, but they do add length in combination with the stretches. I do them 5 days a week, and after a dry spell of no/very few gains I've added another 0.1" since upping my Squeeze reps, while only stretching for 5-6 minutes.

I've also done fancy stuff like JAI, piss pulls etc and it just comes down to finding the perfect volume and NOT skipping the "girth work". With helicopters you are ALWAYS going to hit 1 angle that is an effective stretch, pulling down might just not be what you need and you would be wasting your time. I also found that I do SOMETHING wrong during jelqs, because I have had zero gains from them and is the reason I started BA's "no jelq routine".

Are the BA squeezes the ones where you squeeze under the glans with one hand and around the base with another? Ive been doing light, 20sec of these just after Ive done the ULI:s. These ones and the ULI:s Ill definitely keep on doing regardless of what my main workout will be.


Thanks for the input guys!

[CompensatingForMuscleMass Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close CompensatingForMuscleMass]

Yup. I think you could get rid of the uli's. Doing too much is also what screwed up most of my results.

[draggin Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close draggin]

New to this site. Not sure what all the abbreviations are for, but ... I started the JP-90 and added a few "supra-slammers" at the end. I have been at it for 3 weeks and I have noticed a 1/2 inch in girth gains (which my wife loves very much), and 1/4 inch length gains. I guess what I am saying is try what I did and you ought to get results quickly? Hopefully.

[ThirdArm Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ThirdArm]

My PI:s are not that good honestly. Immediately after workout it kind of turtles and I don't get those spontaneous hard ons that one can get sometimes. But I think that has to do with me going cold turkey on porn, Ive been porn free for 10 days and my libido is still completely dead (it'll be like this for at least another week, Ive done this before...). But still the turtling kind of worries me a bit.

Yeah, abrupt changes in masturbation seem to screw with a guy some. Usually, it's an immediate libido spike. When I quit masturbation for 5 weeks, I noticed that my libido settled down a good deal after a week or two of a spike. Maybe you're experiencing the same.

Let's get back to basics, Lavio.

1. Killing the 20 minute JAI is a good idea.
2. I believe that excessive stretching may be contributing to your lousy EQ, so cut it down to a 15 minute total or so. You can continue the same stretches.
3. You'll have saved 20 minutes from step 1, so you might as well wet jelq 3-4 days per week for 10-15 minutes. No need to add volume to them - just do them well.
4. If you seek girth too and you're conditioned for the Uli, 3 reps is fine.

I'd probably jelq last, since the lube for wet jelqs would interfere with a good grip for stretches and Ulis.

Bottom line, Lavio, is that you can put together a more efficient routine with less volume and get that work in.

[Lavio Member Find all posts View Profile Close Lavio]

Yeah, abrupt changes in masturbation seem to screw with a guy some. Usually, it's an immediate libido spike. When I quit masturbation for 5 weeks, I noticed that my libido settled down a good deal after a week or two of a spike. Maybe you're experiencing the same.

Let's get back to basics, Lavio.

1. Killing the 20 minute JAI is a good idea.
2. I believe that excessive stretching may be contributing to your lousy EQ, so cut it down to a 15 minute total or so. You can continue the same stretches.
3. You'll have saved 20 minutes from step 1, so you might as well wet jelq 3-4 days per week for 10-15 minutes. No need to add volume to them - just do them well.
4. If you seek girth too and you're conditioned for the Uli, 3 reps is fine.

I'd probably jelq last, since the lube for wet jelqs would interfere with a good grip for stretches and Ulis.

Bottom line, Lavio, is that you can put together a more efficient routine with less volume and get that work in.

Thanks a lot for the input. I will definitely cut down the stretches, leave the JAI:s to piss pulls and set the remaining 20 minutes for jelqs!