- 02-24-2013 #21
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Well, I never said that performing bicep curls would work with a penis, so I don't see how your comment is relevant. I'm referring only to the concepts of bodybuilding (i.e. progressive resistance, and minimal repetitions to avert redundancy), not the exercises themselves. Your open refusal to read what I've written in this thread is showing in the ignorance of your response. Perhaps you should only join the discussion if you're willing to read it first.
Since PE isn't exactly the most well-researched issue, I don't think we're in any place to make claims about what set/rep scheme is optimal, just because bodybuilding is "not the same".
Background premise: Bodybuilders follow prescriptions of set and rep schemes and progressive intensity based on well-documented, scientific studies in order to attain hypertrophy.
eiffel's proposition: We may be able to learn from these concepts and effectively apply them to PE, rather than doing the same thing again and again (increasing time/repetitions) and expecting to continue getting new results forever.
BigO's observation: Bodybuilding and PE are not the same thing.
BigO's conclusion: eiffel's method won't work.
In order to prove your conclusion, you must first establish how smooth muscle hypertrophy/hyperplasia is different from skeletal muscle growth, and then explain why that difference equates to higher reps being better for PE.
Yes, in bodybuilding if the intensity (weight) is too high, then the repetitions will drop outside the optimal rep range (often prescribed as being somewhere from 5-12 for skeletal muscles) for developing sufficient soreness and lactic acid buildup for hypertrophy, resulting in limited gains. On the flip side, if a bodybuilder were to attempt to induce soreness with 3-pound dumbbells, the intensity would be so low that no number of repetitions would ever give them the growth they desire, even if the endurance factor did cause them exhaustion.
Just because the intensity is high does not mean that you can do enough repetitions to elicit results, and just because a muscle is sore does not mean that the intensity was sufficient.
So it seems to me that in PE as well, the question becomes "How many sets and reps can I do to stimulate growth, without dropping intensity to a redundant level, and without increasing it to a hazardous degree?"
What I'm positing is that we won't really know the answer as to what the right proportion and progression of intensity:sets:repetitions is for PE until people start branching out, trying new combinations, and tracking/sharing their progress as they go.(current)
- 02-24-2013 #22
I think you are misunderstanding everyone's intentions. You are of course free to do your experiment - what everyone is trying to tell you is that it has been done multiple times before - sometimes under different names/descriptions such as the "less is more" approach. The comparison to bodybuilding comes up often here and it has been looked into before (which isn't to say something wasn't missed either). The biggest thing that I have noticed with PE, is that what works for some people, doesn't for others. There have been many accounts of success with the "less is more" approach, and many accounts of failure as well. There have been many accounts of success with intense routines, and many accounts of failure here too. There are multiple accounts of switching from one to the other and getting results.
I do have some recommendations for you. There is a ton of information here on what has been tried and experimented with before - much of it buried in all the other content here. Here is a link to an old (but very good) discussion on penile smooth muscle, with many references when it comes to smooth muscle growth. Pay attention to the many research links provided by user Iguana. https://www.pegym.com/forums/pe-theo...le-theory.html
Another excellent read where much experimentation has been done is https://www.pegym.com/forums/pe-theo...explained.html . Yes, a lot of theories out there and nothing concrete. Please do understand that not everyone that practices PE is a mindless zombie just repeating what the person before did. There has been a huge amount of experimentation by countless individuals (I myself often go against the grain with new ideas and experiment quite a bit as well).
Lastly, calling respected and veteran users here ignorant is not going to fly very well. These guys have read more theories, tried more things and read more accounts from others than you would believe - most definitely magnitudes more than you have in your 12 posts here (considering many of us, including myself - have taken the time to read pretty much every single post here on this site and others). Please do continue your research and don't be discouraged, but at the same time you can't expect everyone to automatically follow you down a path that has already been pursued without trying to share what they have learned or believe from their time here.
Good luck moving forward, let us know how you did.
- 02-24-2013 #23
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- Jun 2009
How precisely will you increase the intensity of those 32 jelqs you do? While I can add more and more weight as I progress lifting, you can only apply so much pressure to your jelq before you cause severe injury while doing your four minute routine. To rephrase an old quote, BigO has forgotten more PE then you have even learned.
- 02-24-2013 #24
Eiffel,s theory=I don't know what the hell I am talking about but I will quote everything BigO says even though everybody else is saying the same thing. Whats your problem with me saying its not like body building?
I guess you are just missing the point, I have literally read dozens of threads on this in several different penis enlargement sites so go ahead and disagree with me, I really don't care but I don't see why you keep pointing to what I say. You cant do curls with your dick, you cant jelque your chest, people don't wear extenders on their quads and I have never seen a guy that can do a push up with his dick. The only thing there is that may be similar is reps, you can increase reps with your jelques and your curls. I guess that makes them the same.
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- 02-25-2013 #25
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- 02-25-2013 #26
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- 02-25-2013 #27
Hahahaha Tenacious D!I have no problem being with just one woman, but I can't not eat all the donuts.
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- 02-25-2013 #28
Zohan Dvir can do cock pushups...
Until the boner grows an actual bone, it won't work like skeletal muscle. No matter how much you will it to be so, your theories don't apply to science or empiricism. It is philosophy and you should label it as such. Planting roots is different than growing a tree. Wow, that's a really good quote.
Planting roots is different than growing a tree. Or, in your case: building a foundation is different than erecting a tower.
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