- 02-22-2013 #1
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- Jul 2012
So I've been perusing the forums here some more lately, and I've noticed that there's some major disparities between the standard modality for skeletal muscle bodybuilding/strength training and PE. Assuming that smooth muscle hypertrophy occurs in an analogous manner to skeletal muscle, and PC muscles become strengthened in the same way as all the rest of the skeletal muscles, I think we ought to reexamine some of the commonly prescribed practices here on PEGym.
Anyone feel free to correct me where I may be making an error.
For one thing, I often see sets of hundreds of jelqs, v-jelqs, etc recommended. Standard bodybuilding practice is to work in sets of 5-12 repetitions, not hundreds upon hundreds. And of course I understand why high-intensity jelqing is not recommended for beginners, but again running on the assumption that PE works in a similar manner to bodybuilding, then in order to increase our gains the most efficient route is not to increase the repetitions ad infinitum, but instead to increase the intensity (gradually and cautiously!), while still remaining within the 5-12 rep range.
For kegels, again the goal should not be to increase the repetitions towards marathon-like endurance if we want stronger PC muscles, but instead we ought to be contracting tighter, and working against more resistance (i.e. towels). The standard prescription for strength training in the weightlifting world is 3-5 sets of 1-5 repetitions.
Lately I've adopted a minimalist approach that goes like such:
[sets x reps (seconds per rep)]
3 x 6 (3)
3 x 6 (3)
3 x 6 (6)
3 x 1 (12)
Each week I'm bumping the reps up by 2 until I get to 10, at which point I go up 1 set and drop the reps back down to 6, so that the progression looks like this:
3x6, 3x8, 3x10
4x6, 4x8, 4x10
5x6, 5x8, 5x10
The kegels work a bit differently, since I'm going for strength and not growth here, but it still follows the same timeline:
3x1, 3x2, 3x3
4x1, 4x2, 4x3
5x1, 5x2, 5x3
I'm training Mo/We/Fr/Sa, and so far I've been keeping consistent with it. It only takes like 5 minutes, and I do all the exercises right after my shower. I do one exercise after another (in that order) for maximum time efficiency. I think finding a routine people can stick with easily is also key to success, which is hard to adhere to if your exercises are taking up 30+ minutes of your day.
So this routine will take me 9 weeks beginning to end, at which point I'll be remeasuring (currently at 6.125" BPEL, 5" MEG) to track my progress for all of you. I think a shift towards more minimalism in PE could be very beneficial if this works.
- 02-23-2013 #2
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- Jun 2009
You are comparing apples to egg shells. Your plan will accomplish nothing as smooth muscle cells and skeletal muscle cells have very little in common. Did you know that skeletal muscle cells microscopically tear and repair, while smooth muscle cells split and divide? You used some nice words though.
- 02-23-2013 #3
yep, rbi99 is right on. This subject comes up quite often here. There simply is very little in common between smooth muscle cells and skeletal muscle cells. Add to that, smooth muscle cells only make up a portion of the penis (a little less than 50% for most people), and it's main function is to reduce blood outflow for maintaining erections. For most people, the very tough tunica is what has the greatest influence on overall size
- 02-23-2013 #4
penis is not muscle, its tissue... bodybuilding and stretching is two different things... About kegals i think you do need high reps, becouse we want it to have stamina, like sprinters have, we dont want to pump it big, we need pelvic floor strenght to help keep penis erect for longer period of time, so we can do that pussy good, ya feel me!? lolPhallosan Group
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- 02-23-2013 #5
this was an epic fail because of lack of research before acting and spreading information .. if you're going to talk about a topic and suggest things, do the research first ...
if there's a positive to take away from this thread, it certainly seems eiffel you're dedicated and trying to do what is efficient and best, try listening to the veterans and continuing to researchStarting Stats
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Hoping to be 8.5+ BPEL and 5.75+ MSEG
- 02-23-2013 #6
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- Jul 2012
I wouldn't say I'm trying to spread information so much as offer possible alternative methods. I'm not an expert, I fully concede to this, I just think that PE is an ongoing experiment that's worth trying in many different directions to determine what works the best. So far, I've only seen high-rep prescriptions recommended, and I think it's time to give other possibilities a chance.
If I remember correctly, smooth muscle cells are actually capable of both hypertrophy and hyperplasia, meaning they can grow both internally, as well as by dividing and multiplying. What might stimulate such growth is up for debate. To my knowledge, there hasn't really been any published research on PE, let alone the differences in effectiveness of varying approaches to PE, so I think it's still up for debate and experimentation as to whether or not high vs low repetitions for smooth muscle is more effective.
Moreover, I'm curious as to what kind of stimulation would cause smooth muscle hypertrophy/hyperplasia in the first place. I'm a bit concerned that PE may be akin to old-time exercise machines that sought to shake the fat off of people by forcing their bodies to move for them- since smooth muscle is involuntary, is it even possible to stimulate growth externally?
I've read many of the testimonials on this site and others by seemingly unpaid, rational, and previously skeptical men, and that's enough for me at this point, given that the best modern medicine and cosmetic surgery have to offer, in the 21st century and for the most simple request of making penises bigger, harder, and healthier, is pills with a laundry list of negative side effects and a surgical operation that severs a vital tendon and can turn your erections downwards. I think that's completely pathetic, and if at the very least PE can offer increases in EQ (which I have noticed myself), then that's good enough for me. However, I do think that we need to admit that a great deal of the information we're going with here is anecdotal, not empirical or scientific.
I would like to do more research, and I've been studying my "Human Anatomy & Physiology" textbook, browsing the forums and articles here at PEGym, searching Google Scholar, learning about anatomy on Wikipedia, etc. But unless someone can refer me to some more solid references, it seems to me that all we have to go with is a lot of anecdotal reports, and I don't think much experimentation has been done yet regarding ideal set and rep ranges for PE. Again I could be wrong, but unless others have tried this route already and failed, then I'm willing to volunteer as the first guinea pig.
Sprinters train with high intensity and low repetitions. Low repetition strength training (in the 1-5 rep range) will not cause your PC muscles to get "pumped up big" (if that's even possible, have you ever seen or heard of anyone with enormous, bulky PC muscles?) because there are not enough repetitions to build up a sufficient amount of lactic acid for maximal hypertrophy to occur. Since the goal of kegels is to increase the hardness of erections and control over ejaculation during climax (both strength-related objectives), I think a strength-based approach would be most logical. Strength training also has substantial carryover to endurance, i.e. many who can bench press high weights can also do many pushups in a row, but the converse is not true, so again I think strength training ought to be prioritized.
As for stretching the tunica, much of the same concepts carry over well from strength training to the conditioning of flexibility. Stretching for a longer duration only tests how much time you can spend holding a given position, it's necessary to stretch slightly further and harder at each session in order to produce more rapid results. For example, I didn't attain the skill of a full split by holding narrow splits for really long periods of time, I did so by consistently pushing myself slightly further for 30-60 second holds at each session.
Again, I may be comparing apples to oranges, and I will admit that I'm no sort of expert, researcher, urologist, or PE veteran by any means. I'm just offering alternatives to explore, and if it pans out well for me, I'll report back to you. If not, I'll own up to it and give JP90 a shot instead.
- 02-23-2013 #7
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eiffel, I give you credit for questioning conventional PE wisdom and trying to make a comparison that could further the way we do PE. I still have to agree with the other posters that your conclusion is incorrect.
Consider this fact: If you do a weight training exercise with the same weight and reps every workout, you will not make progress. You will not continue to get stronger, since the necessary adaptions have already occurred. But consider this: There are numerous reports of guys who do the same PE program for an extended period of time, yet continue to gain - despite not increasing their jelq reps or time.I am no longer an active member on the PEGym.
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- 02-23-2013 #8
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- Jul 2012
I think it's possible that those guys might have made more progress, more rapidly, if they had used progressive resistance to accomodate bodily adaptations. Also consider that as their initial gains came to them, they may have been unconsciously increasing the intensity of their workout without even knowing it. If they applied an equally-strong grip as the last session to their now-bigger penis, then by proportion the exercise would be more intense.
I really appreciate the scientific mindset that many on this site have though, and I'm really glad you guys are open to new possibilities, even if it is contrary to the conventional wisdom handed down to us by PE veterans.
I'm pretty set on following through with this experiment, but if there's any research or direct anecdotal experiences that indicate that my method will not work, then I won't waste my time on it.(current)
- 02-23-2013 #9
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- 02-23-2013 #10
Not even going to read this, body building and PE are not alike, not the same and have no business being in the same conversation.Going an inch and 1/2 deeper than before
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