Thread: Intensity fallacy in PE
- 04-20-2013 #1
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- Jul 2012
One issue I feel compelled to write about, because I see it a lot around here, is the idea that more intensity = more gains.
I see a lot of bullcrap floating around like, "Have you ever tried the bundled Mandingo stretch? It feels SO intense, and I hear it's a PORNSTAR SECRET!!!" This kind of hype-driven nonsense makes us all look stupid. This is the stuff of porn site sidebar scam ads. Knock it off.
The connective tissues of the penis are made of collagen and elastin. The erectile tissues of the penis are made of smooth muscle. Both of these are stretchable materials that lengthen and become more elastic when subjected to the mechanical force of tension, the effect of which is increased with the prolonged duration of said tension via creep.
Your dick does not care, or know, what kind of tension is being placed upon it. This should be obvious. Intensity generates girth gains at best, which WILL slow down your length progress, but more likely than not will just hurt your dick and force you to take a break.
Since when we lengthen our penises we are engaging in a flexibility regimen, I think it's most logical to take our lessons from other athletes and performers who emphasize elasticity first. The most extreme example of this kind of performer is a contortionist.
So how do contortionists train? With a typical three-hour daily routine of slow, static stretches. High volume, high frequency, low intensity.
Hanging and extending are especially practical towards this end, but if you're going to do manual PE then all you need is ONE slow stretch you can work on. You will never need something more advanced, you will only need to strive to stretch slightly further and further over time.
As always, beginners should start with low volume to test the waters, but once you know what you're doing, more volume = more gains, as long as you can work that within the paradigms of safety and time management.
- 04-20-2013 #2
Your post does have some good points but what you say simply does not apply to all. Many guys have had success with short hard stretching sessions, I do think that more guys should try the method you have described but remember that all are not the same and all will not always gain from the same approach. If we could then there would have been one proven routine that worked for every one discovered long ago.
All in all your post is pretty good.Going an inch and 1/2 deeper than before
- 04-20-2013 #3
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- Jul 2012
I find it far more plausible to believe that some men measure inaccurately, count an inconsistent spike in EQ as a "gain", and simply flat-out lie, than to think that that some men's penises just defy the laws of physics as they apply to human anatomy.
- 04-20-2013 #4
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- Sep 2011
Let me begin by saying that you're correct there are a lot of fallacies floating around. I believe the root cause is because PE has not been thoroughly examined. However, having been thoroughly research doesn't prevent the creation of new fallacies; we've all see the link for the "one weird trick that..."
Because PE has not been thoroughly examined there are a couple facts we need to understand: 1) the Pro's here can discuss their gains and how they succeeded. 2) the 'laws of physics' as they apply to the penis has not been sufficiently established.
I believe statistics play a big roll here, the problem is that we have a bunch of individuals who are conducting un-coordinated routines and self-reporting their results; not good for statistical significance. There are many variables which cannot be controlled because our routines and their durations are all different. These variables include the natural variation of penile tissue.
I suspect those individuals who've stuck with PE over the years is because they were blessed with penile tissue which reacts positively to stress of PE. Their early success motivated them to continue and learn more. However, there could be some whose tissue was on the other end of the bell-curve, who didn't have the gains, and therefore stopped PE. What we end up with are routines which were honed by and for those with an affinity for gains.
Regarding mandingo stretches, they allow one to stretch without putting pressure on the glands. Makes it easier for me to hold longer stretches, but not necessarily harder stretches.
Regarding bundled stretches, the torsion does stretch the tissue much differently than straight stretches and they are intense. Length stretches stretch the tunica tissue which is aligned lengthwise and separates the circumferential aligned tunica tissue. Bundled stretches stretches both tissue alignments, shears between the parallel tissues cells, and shears between the perpendicular tissues. It works better for girth than length because bundling puts little strain on the septum.
You're suspicion of some of the stated great gains are understandable. Who can tell if the stated gains are legitimate? If the person stays and they continue to gain, perhaps they are. If they are not legitimate, they'll leave.
Individuals looking for fast gains and willing to follow a post from a dude who signed up yesterday whose first post was "this one weird trick..." instead of taking the time to read, study, and learn from proven routines; well, you can't really help those guys. They're on the left end of the bell curve on intelligence.
Last edited by namsokiek; 04-20-2013 at 07:40 PM.
- 04-20-2013 #5
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- Apr 2013
I'm not a veteran here or expert on the human body by any means. But, there is one key rule that needs to be recognized about the human body: it reacts to stressed being placed on it. This can be weightlifting, mountain climbing, adapting to cold weather, adapting to sicknesses, and, in our case, PEing. Intensity level and volume is completely subjective based on the person and their genetic make up. I've seen people get HUGE pectoral muscles by just doing pushups, whereas I perform heavy bench press multiple times a week accompanied by 12 sets of different intense exercises for my chest muscles to grow, and they just don't want to grow. So everyone is different.
What can we be certain of in the world of PE? That while putting stress on our reproductive organ, our body will adapt and react to it, causing new tissues to grow. I think intensity is somewhat necessary for our body to wake up and react to the stress of PE. Does high intensity pose more risks? Of course. But from my experience, higher intensity will produce faster results than low intensity will, considering you don't injure yourself. With high risk comes high reward, and that's how it usually works with everything in this life.
Maybe our opinions differ because you seem to be focused primarily on length gains, whereas I want more girth. I don't find that having a long penis is beneficial at all. I like to go balls deep, and feel my whole unit trapped inside a woman. I don't want to have to hold back, or not use 2 inches of my penis because I'm worried that I'm nailing my parter's inner organs. I'm more than satisfied with my high end of average length. The desired 8" is more of a burden to carry than it is a benefit. Wait til you fall in love with a girl who can only take that 8-inch dong 5/8ths of the way.
If you're primarily focused on length, I wouldn't worry about volume or intensity. I'd just save up money for an extender and use that. All you hear about extenders are great things. And if you're 18 or older, you should have SOME way to save up 120 USD or whatever it costs for the basic X4 extender.
But on the other hand, with girth, both intensity and volume are equally important. You must expand your unit beyond it's normal capacity, and to do this, you NEED intensity. You can gain with low intensity, but in this day and age, most people want results and they want them FAST. Hence, overnight shipping options, anabolic steroids, airplanes, cell phones, all these things were made because people wanted something FAST. It's just human nature. You have two options, perform PE at low intensity levels, experience little-to-no risk, but gain at a slow steady pace. Or up the intensity, feel it, and let yourself heal and the growth will come quicker. It's just the basic mechanics of our body's reaction to stress.
- 04-21-2013 #6
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