- 04-23-2013 #41
One problem I see with this (although you have stated several times you aren't saying a 6" guy needs to hang 9lbs), is that circumference does not tell us anything about the tunica. For instance, I am convinced that I have four layers (only kidding how would anyone know other than cutting their pride and joy in half), but some do only have one, others multiple. That would change things dramatically I would think as the layers add up.
- 04-23-2013 #42
Because tunica thickness varies, you cannot directly compare the cocks of two individuals. An 8x6 cock with a very thin tunica may require the same force as a 6x4 cock with thick tunica. That was not the purpose of my post. There is also no way to know how thick your tunica is, so it is best to not even think about it outside of theoretical musings.
However, if you as an individual gain 0.5" of girth, no matter what thickness your tunica is, it will require more force to elongate because the cross-sectional area of your tunica will increase as your girth increases. That was the purpose of my post.
Like I said, my post was not to provide people exact calculations for their specific penis because there is no way to know how thick your tunica actually is unless you get an MRI or you die and get dissected. It is only to establish the correlation between circumference and force required to elongate.
As a side note, there is only one source that I am aware of that claims people have different numbers of tunica layers. All other sources state very clearly that the tunica albuginea has 2 layers, an outer longitudinal and inner circular, and the tunica albuginea surrounding the CS does NOT have a longitudinal layer. This is in DIRECT conflict with that source, because that source claims that some individuals had ONLY a longitudinal layer around their CS. We need to look more deeply into this before believing that people have varying layers of tunica. People definitely have varying thickness, though.
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- 04-23-2013 #43
Histologic study of the tunica albuginea... [Arch Androl. 2006 Jan-Feb] - PubMed - NCBI . That is an important one because it is based on 28 real penises that were examined (luckily they were all dead). Out of the 28, eight had less or more than the standard 2. Twenty-nine percent is a pretty big number, and it is a real one not a theoretical one.
Again, I understand that your numbers are not meant to be anything other than interesting. You are not saying that these numbers are real for anyone and that it is all theoretical stuff. You impressed the hell out of me by not only using them, but actually explaining it in a way a dumb ass like myself (Cusp might still need some explaining) understands.
- 04-23-2013 #44
Yeah I know they used dissection, but so did many other studies. I'm just confused as to why this study would be in such conflict with the others.
- 04-23-2013 #45
Yes there is definitely a variance of thickness, even on a single individual. The article I mentioned earlier (along with the picture) describes this. I cannot find full access to the article, but have access to a cliffs note version. I think they did cross-sectional analysis on around 15 human penises, some from corpses others from volunteers (biopsies). They found that the outer layer varies in thickness all around the penis, and had cross-sectional measurements that correlated to the hands of a clock. The article appears to go into great depth on the microscopic composition of the tunica, but like I side I only have a cliffs notes version.In the forward progress of society and feminism, masculinity (in my opinion) has failed to adapt. This has resulted in the figurative emasculation of many men. PE is not just about gaining size, it is also about gaining confidence, but most importantly embracing and learning healthy masculinity.
- 04-23-2013 #46
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- 04-23-2013 #47In the forward progress of society and feminism, masculinity (in my opinion) has failed to adapt. This has resulted in the figurative emasculation of many men. PE is not just about gaining size, it is also about gaining confidence, but most importantly embracing and learning healthy masculinity.
- 04-23-2013 #48
Edit: Nope, can't get it. Lol. Will have to choke up some cash if we want it. I get a lot of articles for free because I'm a student, but unfortunately there are some I can't access.
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- 04-24-2013 #49
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An excerpt/condensed verbal version from the article you are seeking/mentioning, I was unable copy the illustrations as I am still learning constraints of this site; additional note copying and pasting from Microsoft Word to this site inevitably results in "clumping of words", please excuse:
The Anatomy of the Tunica Albuginea in the Normal Penis
Abstract. “The tunica albuginea of the corpora cavernosa isa bi-layered structure with multiplelayers. Inner layer bundles support andcontain the cavernous tissue and are oriented circularly. Radiating from this layer are intracavernous pillars acting as struts, which augment the septum andprovide essential support to the erectile tissue. Outer layer bundles areoriented longitudinally. These fibers extend from the glans penis to theproximal crura, where they insert into the inferior pubic ramus. There are noouter layer fibers between the 5 and 7 o'clock positions. Elastic fibersnormally form an irregularly latticed network on which collagen fibers rest. InPeyronie's disease the well ordered appearance of the collagen layers is lost:excessive deposits of collagen, disordered elastic fibers and fibrin are foundwithin the region of the plaque.” 1
Collagen FiberAlignment. The human tunica albuginea is a complex structure, and is designedto be functionally compatable for the purpose of sexual intimacy. The collagen bundles are oriented eithercircularly or longitudinally with multiple collagen bundle layers able to slideagainst each other .In inner layer of collagen is finer, and circularly orientedbundles which surround and penetrate the cavernous tissue. The coarser outer layers are directedlongitudinally extending from the base to the glans. The overall shape of thepenis varies, with the location determined by the surrounding tunica albuginea.
Septum and CC. Theseptum dividing the two chambers of the CC is formed from the inner layer bundles. The median septum is complete proximally (the glans area) and extendsdistally into each crus (areas of attachment) and are often incomplete at the glans. The inner layer bundles also send off perpendicular or intracavernouspillars that act as struts analogous to spokes on a bycycle Figure 2. The struts maintain intracavernous support.).The dorsal aspect(top) is fenestrated. “Insummary, the inner layer has circular bundles that send off projections intothe septum and thickened regions at the 6 o'clock position that represent thecoalescence of bundles from both sides.”1
Figure 2 Intracavernous pillars between approximately 6 and2 o'clock position. Note striation. Reduced from X25. Reprinted withpermission. 
Ventral (bottom ) thickenings. “The outer layer bundlesoriented longitudinally condense to form triangular ligamentous structures thatwe call ventral thickenings at the 5 and 7 o'clock position Figure 1.The intervening space (the ventral groove) houses the corpus spongiosum.Absence of longitudinal bundles between the ventral (bottom) thickenings allowsthe corpus spongiosum (CS) to expandwithout restriction.”
Longitudional band thickenings toward the glans.. Note that the longitudional bundles arethicker on top (dorsally) These dorsal(top) thckenings bands are located atthe 11 and 1 o'clock positions and untimately extend into the glans distally as a single structure. The longitudionalbundles are located in the glans at the 12 o’clock position.
Dorsal thickenings at the base. When the dorsal thickeningsare followed toward the base ( proximally), they form the walls of the dorsalgroove Figure 1,then gradually separate, anchoring the penile crura to the inferior pubicramus. The longitudinal fibers from the lateral (side) aspect (1 to 4 and 8 to11 o'clock positions) interdigitate with the suspensory ligament and fan out tojoin the adjacent ischiocavernous muscle (very important concept!).
Summary Thus Far. Hence, a circumferential ligamentous structurecomposed of ventral (bottom)and dorsal (top) thickenings and the lateral(sides) bundles is created, anchoring thepenis to the ischial tuberosity (section of the hip bone behind the penisstructure) immediately ventral to the pudendal nerve (one of the main nervetracts coming from the sacral spine area) while providing the cavernous tissuewith structural support.
Role of Elastic FiberMesh. The second structural component ofthe tunica albuginea is the elastic fibers that form an irregularly latticedframework on which collagen rests Figure 4(A).In the penile shaft tunical elastic fibers and collagen are intertwined.However, proximally (the base) strandsof skeletal muscle intermingle with outer layer bundles along the lateralaspect of the crus penis (interface of collagen fibers and IC muscle). Theelastic network is present but with fewer fibers. The tunica at both ends (base and glans) where the inner layer bundlesterminate, consists exclusively of collagen, reminiscent of ligamentous tissue.
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- 04-24-2013 #50
Between staying at a Holiday Inn last night and reading that article I think I am going to start calling myself Dr. Rbi99!!! Thanks for posting. There must be a position of higher importance for me other than moderator, that is simply too mundane!!!
Less I be misinterpreted, I was not making a dig at Dr. Ric - lighten up people!!!!
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