- 05-20-2013 #1
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OK I stumbled across this site doing some research on scar tissue formation / manipulation in the penis and some thread piqued my interest (particularly the ones on chemical PE).
NOTE: I've never performed any kind of PE, but I have a basic knowledge of it. I almost done with my doctorate and have dual Masters in Biochemistry and Endocrinology. I have extensive knowledge about the way the human body works in basically all facets.
I would like to dispel some rumors/ideas I see thrown about and add some insight to things that do make sense medically in the field of PE.
1. This notion that taking pills or injections of any kind will enlarge your penis is bogus! Pure and simple.
- Now taking things like Viagra and L-Arginine will increase blood flow to the penis which will make it appear larger, but this is temporary. PERIOD.
- Steroids will not increase penis size. They can improve erection quality if you have low testosterone, but that's it. Actually messing with your bodies hormones is the quickest way to have issues with ED and erection quality.
- IGF-1, Des-IGF, HGH, etc. will not increase your penis size. PERIOD. They don't work on the tissues in the penis except for POSSIBLY healing injuries. The IGF group acts on muscle cells and intestine cells almost exclusively (like 99.99%).
- HGH can promote healing while you are doing manual PE routines like jelging which in theory should limit scar tissue and allow you to do perform these "so-called" exercises more often, but that is all it will do for your penis (Well it can makes skin feel smoother).
- PEG-1 is COMPLETELY under-researched and there is no evidence period that is promotes permanent or even temporary penis growth. There are legitimate studies showing this and although I've seen some claims that is works in forums they are all taking tons of other medications AND doing exercises so those results simply CANNOT be trusted.
2. Here is a list of medications that you should be taking IF you decide to perform some sort of manual PE routine (like jelging). They won't aid in penis growth, but they will help keep you injury free and promote healing.
NOTE: I don't really condone manual PE of any kind because the risk of injury is far greater than the chances of you doing this correctly and earning success. AND YOU PROBABLY DON'T NEED IT. 90% of women have orgasms in one of two ways, clitoral and g-spot. Both of these areas are you can reach with a 3" penis so it's not necessary to have large penis to get a woman off. BUT IF you are going to do it anyways (and chances are you will) these supplements will help with healing and preventing scaring should you screw up and help even if you don't.
- L-Arginine (or any form of blood flow enhancement like Orthinine or even Ginko Biloba)
- Zinc (needed for adequate Testosterone production)
- Nattokinase / Serrapeptase / Bromelain (Reduces chemicals that cause swelling and scar tissue formation. They also thin blood and increase platelet availability to smaller blood vessels)
- Niacin (Improves blood flow to smaller blood vessels)
- Vitamin E and Vitamin C
HGH can help recovery, healing and limit scar tissue formation (possibly reverse it, but this hasn't been proven). Trust me scar tissue is the last thing you want on your penis. Just go to a Peyronie's Disease forum if you doubt that.
My medical opinion most of you guys don't need any PE at all. You need self-esteem improvement. But if you are going to do it I hope this helps you to at least do it safely.
Also this 5 on / 2 off routine is not medically sound. 2 on / 1 off makes much more sense medically speaking. And warming up (and down) is a must to prevent even further injury.
KNOW THIS: EVERYTIME YOU STRETCH YOUR PENIS YOU ARE INJURING IT. PERIOD.
- 05-20-2013 #2
My experience with PE says that all your schooling is not worth a damn on the subject. You know alot about it but you have never done it, well I know alot about football but I played hockey, think the NFL will call me soon.
Glad to have another educated member that knows nothing but posts to tell us about what he knows nothing about. Hey, I have an idea, you tell me how to PE and I will give you medical advice, sounds like a lose lose to me.Going an inch and 1/2 deeper than before
- 05-20-2013 #3
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- 05-20-2013 #4
Stay on topic!Going an inch and 1/2 deeper than before
- 05-20-2013 #5
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I clearly said manual PE does work (obviously people are getting results).
What I am saying is it's not necessary and a lot of the information going around is psuedo-science which helps no one.
If you can point out one mistake or untruth in my post I'd be glad to have a civil discussion about it, but there aren't any.
To your point that knowledge requires participation that is just ridiculous. To take your own analogy there are plenty of NFL and NCAA football coaches who never played football period. Yet somehow by education they were able to teach the game. So you know a lot about football, but never played it. Do you think you could explain football to someone whose never heard of it? Yeah you could, without ever taking a snap.
Psuedo-science is what a lot of posters are promoting and it is responsible for lots of injuries and wasted money. How many people on this forum have spent hundreds or thousands of dollars on pills, devices, etc. for none of it to work at all.
Even if it does work it's rarely necessary and a good number of people are going to permanently injure themselves by doing thing incorrectly.
I wish there were some good studies done on forms of PE, or Premature Ejaculation, or Delayed Ejaculation, or Peyronie's Disease because I know there are men out there suffering and all these issues (Especially the latter two are GROSSLY undiagnosed), but there aren't because people don't talk about it with their doctors. They come anonymously to forums like this and while I'm sure you guys have helped a your fair share of people psuedo-science PREVENTS actual science from being done which doesn't help anyone especially you and the members of your forum.
My post was not meant as an attack. Just a reality check. This isn't necessary for most men and there really isn't much science unfortunately. I wish the opposite were true.
- 05-20-2013 #6
Welcome to the gym HoldFast.
Before getting too far with giving us all the information we need, maybe have a look at this https://www.pegym.com/forums/beginne...cess-here.html, there you can find some of the information that have been gather by actually people doing PE. If you ever decide on trying PE out, we would be more then happy to help you out. Maybe somewhere down the road you might actually be able to use your knowledge for something!
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Pre-PE Stats (Dec. 2012): BPEL: 6.9'', MEG: 4.8''
April 2013: BPEL: 7.6'', MEG: 5.2''
May 2013: BPEL: 7.7'', MEG: 5.25''
July 2013: BPEL: 7.75'', MEG: 5.3''
August 2013: BPEL: 7.8'', MEG: 5.4''
- 05-20-2013 #7
Well you are correct, it is not necessary for many men, probably almost no one needs it. Weight lifting is not either but people want to improve. I am not a scientist or a doctor but I know from personal experience that I have gained in both length and girth, I have great EQ and my sex life is better than ever and this is at 47 years young.
I never needed weight lifting to stay healthy but when I finally pressed 405 I felt great about it. What I am getting at is that you should try it before you knock it. It is very true that there is a risk involved, I wont dispute that, but if penile exercises are done correctly then the risk of injury is eliminated.
When exercises are done with too much force than one can and usually will get injured, just as a runner who is knew to the sport and does not listen to his body is likely to get injured or suffer over training.
Usually when posts like yours hit the forum there is an agenda, so if your not here to sell something then I offer an apology for my response. then again if you do try to sell something or push penile surgery which is far more dangerous than PE I will ban you and delete all of your posts ( I have to say that ).
I would be willing to bet if you gave it 3 months and stayed safe and easy you would change your views about PE. Take a chance man, live on the edge and then you will have both class room and personal experience for knowledge.
Scar tissue is only created when one induces injury by extreme over training. Peyronies is almost never caused by PE. It usually comes from some other sort of penile trauma.Going an inch and 1/2 deeper than before
- 05-20-2013 #8
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This is great reading, Thanks.
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My only agenda was to attempt to be helpful.
I take your point about weight lifting (I would argue that it has great health benefits though while PE doesn't as far as we know). I myself am an avid athlete and a true ectomorph and without getting too far off subject when I reached 200 pounds in weight for the first time in college after starting at around 160 pounds I felt amazing about it.
However, with weight lifting and penile stretching micro-tears are made every single time you do the exercise. This is what signals our body to start the repairing process which can result in growth. You won't get scar tissue every time you get this small injury, but there is always a chance. The difference between weight lifting and PE is if you get scar formation weight lifting it is fairly easy to reshape and gain full range of motion again. (You CANNOT under any circumstance "remove" or "dissolve" scar tissue). But the tissue in your penis as extremely different that any other part of our body and IF you scar that tissue I have seen no studies and very little psuedo-science success at reshaping that scar tissue. Which obviously has the ability to ruin your sex life forever.
I think we can both agree that is a scary prospect. The only reason I brought up Peyronie's Disease is as part of my degree I was an intern at a lab that did a study on verapamil injections. The doctors I worked with told me there really isn't much they can do for penile scar tissue at this point. Surgery doesn't work well and they told me that most urologists will prescribe oral vitamin E and ibuprofen. That is just insane.
I never meant to imply that Peyronie's Disease could be caused by PE exercises, but scar tissue certainly can (although as you've said it's not a guarantee it will).
If I had time and was able to do it in a relatively scientific manner (perhaps as a part of my doctorate program) I would love to do a proper study on manual PE, but it would require at least 10-20 people who've never done it before for it to be considered legitimate (scientifically speaking).
I guess I should've just said IF you are going to do it please be safe with it and realize that most of the "quick fixes" you read about are bogus and oral, topical, and injectable PE does not work at this point. Maybe some day something will come a long that will PEG-1 showed promise at first, but it has pretty much been shown to be ineffective.
EDIT: I should add that for penile scar tissue the two things that have shown SOME promise in working at least to some degree (although not very well) are:
1. Manual Massage
2. Prolonged Erections (1-2 hour erections, but no more or you risk further scarring)
Both of these have had limited success in studies, but both (like PE) take a long time to show results and must be done carefully and consistently.
Last edited by HoldFast; 05-20-2013 at 12:04 PM.
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