- 05-21-2013 #11
- Join Date
- Feb 2012
Don't crush it don't bend it dont be a moron but also- don't need it. jelqing at low eq has given a lot of considerable gains, whether anyone chooses to believe anecdotal evidence or not, there clearly is some mechanism that works.
Also, for 100% jelqing, it could either be hard for someone to maintain 100%, or it might cause a lot of pressure on the glans. I experimented with jelqing and found that at even 80ish% max, my glans was filling up and the pressure could get very intense, as in the same pressure if I'm at 110% expansion doing a kegel while edging with a clamp on. Might have just been me, but for me anyway jelqing too high is too risky with all that pressure in the glans.I'm back!
- 05-21-2013 #12
- Join Date
- Jul 2012
Until that mechanism can be identified and explained, all those anecdotal accounts might as well be fiction.
If you aren't pushing boundaries, nothing's gonna happen.
- 05-21-2013 #13
Just my opinion, of course, but if you are jelquing "properly" even at a lower EQ you'll still be forcing blood to expand the tissue beyond it's regular capacity. I actually find it more difficult to force more blood into my member at a higher EQ. Again, just my personal experience and observation. I still think above all, what works for one person may not necessarily work for the other. Thankfully, you've found something that hits a home run for you, so major respect!
- 05-21-2013 #14
- 05-21-2013 #15
- Join Date
- Jul 2012
- 05-21-2013 #16
Ok well like I said I'm killing two birds with one stone. I hope you perfect your technique and finally start gaining bud, because my massages are working!
- 05-21-2013 #17
Wow, very brave of you.
I agree 100% that jelqing with a full erection is best for gains. That is how I jelq. That is how I've always jelqed. I have gotten great girth gains. But I have also injured myself and had to take a month off. Oops. But after my cock was conditioned, I am back jelqing with a full hard-on for as longs as my fingers can take it. By the way, randomly last night, my wife whispered to me as she was falling asleep "jelqing has made you real hung". WOW, that is never hard to hear for a man.
Anyway, don't hurt yourselves. Keep jelqing at whatever level is right for you. Good Luck.
- 05-21-2013 #18
- Join Date
- Jun 2009
When nearly erect jelqing for me is like trying to squeeze a rock. I don't like how it feels, and instead of using less pressure I need a firmer grip to "get any action". At 60% or so, a firm grip, and a slow stroke, my glans is hard as a rock if I touch it while jelqing. I am pushing a large amount of blood up through my cells. When I finish my shaft is bloated from all of the blood that has been pushed up through it. Call me a liar, an exaggerator, or fool, but I gained 1 1/2" of meg since I started. I did this by changing the usual wet jelqs and V's into UJ's and UV's because I didn't feel that the regular way of jelqing was very effective - however my erection level is usually around 50 - 60%, not 100. Some guys do jelq at 100%, and I have no problem with that at all, but quite frankly I couldn't keep an erection up for the 20-30 minutes I need for my basic routine. I wrote a rather indebt thread in the Beginners Section regarding jelqing, most of it based on "hands on" actual experience. I would feel much more confident about your premise, if you were speaking from experience, not the comfort of your computer chair.
- 05-21-2013 #19
- 05-21-2013 #20
- Join Date
- Sep 2011
To address your claim. Your assumptions are:
1 - that jelqing at less than 100% only increase the pressure by a fraction (see your 50% and 60% example)
2 - that you can't expand the tunica unless it is 100% erect and jelqing would bring the erection higher causing expansion.
3 - the tunica is able to expand to a greater degree when full erect as opposed to lower erection level.
Assumption 1 is incorrect, unless you're not jelqing properly. Picture in your mind a clown that makes balloon animals. He'll quickly stretch the balloon, to loosen up the resistance to longitudinal expansion, then inflate. I've seen where he'll inflate just a small portion about the size of a ball, and press it towards the end. Although the balloon is not entirely filled to capacity, the location at the bubble of air is filled to capacity and is beginning plastic deformation. And the movement of that bubble along the balloon expands the balloon at that location and causes incremental plastic deformation.
Now this is not an exact comparison because there are factors at work for the balloon which do not exist in the penis, but the effect is similar. When jelqing to emphasize girth the penis is 50%-60%, or rather plump. When the OK grip is applied, the pressure inside the CC and CS increase (like the little ball in the balloon example) and expand the tunica to its physical limits. The pressure is again increased as the grip is advanced towards the glans. This increased pressure causes incremental plastic deformation in the areas that experience the increased pressure.
Assumption 2 is incorrect because you can cause localized expansion when not completely erect, see horse squeezes.
Assumption 3 is incorrect. The composition of the tunica make it rigid and less pliable when 100% erect. The interaction of the longitudinal and radial aligned strands with the support strands originating at the septum and spanning the CC to the outer wall of the CC make it very rigid and resistant. Doing girth work at 80% to 95% is allows for much greater expansion of the tunica and provides a greater post-workout gain than the same exercises at 100% erect.
Now, because the tunica is extremely rigid at 100% forcing blood movement through the tunica is very difficult. Because the CS and glans are not encased in the tunica, they usually receive the majority of the constriction force. There is some ancillary increase in pressure inside the CC, but that is from the occlusion of the flow of blood out of the penis more so than the movement of blood inside the CC from the jelq.
Now if your assertion that erect jelqing was the only way to gain then your statement that "we'd all get big dicks just from jacking off" would validate your assertion regarding erect jelqs, not be used to refute gains from normal jelqs, because jacking off is best done when fully erect. Unfortunately we don't "all get big dicks from just jacking off" which is an argument against your "only erect jelqs" claim.
Last edited by namsokiek; 05-21-2013 at 10:51 AM.
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