- 05-22-2013 #71
I do not jelq for gains. I have no experience gaining from jelqing. But if I were to do it, that's how and why, and if you take issue with my reasoning, please address my points instead of my person. I could be a headless chicken, pecking away at my keyboard, and these points would still be valid so long as they stand to reason. Who says something is irrelevant, what they say is what matters.
This was taken from the original post, I like alot of what has been discussed. EOW, namokieks, DonJelqer and RBI have all made some great points. The negative point is that someone with basically no real jelquing for gains experience can say something that could be catastrophic to a newbie who thinks he will try this.
Another example of a person with way to little experience who comes on and wants to challenge proven PE theories. Kudos to the rest of you who turned a seemingly stuoid thread into a great thread.
Going an inch and 1/2 deeper than before
- 05-22-2013 #72
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Semi-erect jelqing may work for temporary girth gains by causing a lateral expansion without the longitudinal tunica albuginea pulling it taught, however in this case you're only working with the TA's elastic range. If you want to plastically deform it, it HAS to be stretched to the point at which it's taught.
And perhaps elastic expansion is all we can hope for, in which case I would suppose that semi-erect jelqing would be superior for girth. If plastic deformation is possible though, erect jelqing takes the cake.
And since a six-months-later follow up of the six-month-long Turin penis extender study found no decrease in size, and since permanent loss of elasticity (breaking the yield strength) has been documented in cases of priapism-induced megalophallus, I think there's good reason to believe that plastic deformation of the TA through PE exercises is possible.
I still maintain though, that erect length gains cannot be attained by non-erect jelqing, except via EQ. Furthermore, although I have personally found erect jelqing to feel safer than sex, I also think pumping is a superior option for three-dimensional gains, since you can measure the pressure, and track and progress the intensity accordingly. Not so much with jelqing.
And if you really want girth, I think clamping is the way to go. As eow said, it covers a lot more surface area a lot more evenly, and creating hypoxia -> SMC hypertrophy has been demonstrated to work in case studies of priapisms. Fortunately though, with clamping we can end the session at our leisure, making it much safer than having sickle-cell anemia.
I stated my lack of experience in my initial post in the hopes that responders wouldn't resort to ad hominem and argument from authority fallacies, and would instead stick to discussing the mechanism of jelqing and its efficacy or lack thereof at different erection levels. I guess I was too optimistic with that.
While some good points were made, I still see this thread polluted with "What could YOU possibly know, you wee little newbie?" comments that I thought would be understood as fallacious by now.
- 05-22-2013 #73
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In that case, I don't think you've been following this thread too closely.
- 05-22-2013 #75
Eiffel, the reason i cannot respect your arguments is that you use words like HAS and ONLY when it has been proven and restated that BOTH ways have been proven.
Everyone states risk from erect jelqs anyways so the question is WHY?
I understand and it makes logical sense why one would jelq 100% , but with risk what is your real reward? Do you get to have sex with that girl 2 weeks sooner because your cock hit that goal that much faster? Cool... but what if you damaged nerves from not being careful one day and now you can never feel your dick and experience an orgasm again? or worse and never be able to get hard again?
You seem to hate jelqs, so then don't do them if you feel you are wasting your time! You keep stating your "HAS TO" statements and then you don't really back it up with much. EOWs chart was great to see in your defense (i don't have an armadillo dick lol )
i agree with what HungJury said. and then you attacked him and i wanted to back him up because i'm sure he has followed much of this discussion like i had and it ended up being so damn long! If that was me, i would have been mad to have read this whole thread and then be told i wasn't following this thread correctly.
And i don't think you should feel attacked because of your argument and being a noob... (I am the ultra noob if anything of this discussion, but i continue because i am expanding knowledge in the process). You are getting attacked because of the way you approach your argument as a dictator. You keep sounding like the Hitler of PE. Okay, that somewhat had to do with penile exercising and somewhat didn't, but i really wanted to let you know.
Last edited by MysticMonk; 05-22-2013 at 01:01 PM.Start Date : 4/18/13
BPEL: START 6.125 B=D CURRENT 7.00
MEG: START 4.750 B=D CURRENT 5.375
- 05-22-2013 #76
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- 05-22-2013 #77
- 05-22-2013 #78
I didn't have time to read the whole thread, yet. But Just wanted to contribute with the information that I have gain nicely from jelqing, while doing my initial JP90. However, from day one, I jelqed at 70-80 % erection....The hammer i speak of is my manhood.
Pre-PE Stats (Dec. 2012): BPEL: 6.9'', MEG: 4.8''
April 2013: BPEL: 7.6'', MEG: 5.2''
May 2013: BPEL: 7.7'', MEG: 5.25''
July 2013: BPEL: 7.75'', MEG: 5.3''
August 2013: BPEL: 7.8'', MEG: 5.4''
- 05-22-2013 #79
- 05-22-2013 #80
I would agree that erect jelqing is probably the best way to gain from a materials perspective. However, conditioning is extremely important. In addition, lower levels should assist gains from a material perspective. Lastly, your body adapts to stress and finds ways to overcome them. Therefore it is important to vary your routine to have the tissues respond favorably to the external stimuli.
As for conditioning let me attempt to explain. The penis is soft tissue and should have some inherent healing powers as almost all tissues have healing powers. Conditioning e.g. lower level jelqing should allow you body to be injured and repaired. Why is this important? Well lets say you have imperfections in your penis that are unknown to you (highly likely). Well lower jelqing allows theses imperfection to fail and be rebuilt/heal stronger, without a catastrophic failure. Erect jelqing will most likely result in catastrophic failure. Hence lower level jelqing is a necessity prior to erect jelqing.In the forward progress of society and feminism, masculinity (in my opinion) has failed to adapt. This has resulted in the figurative emasculation of many men. PE is not just about gaining size, it is also about gaining confidence, but most importantly embracing and learning healthy masculinity.
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