Length expansion from 2 hour jelq session

[faithandhope]

It seems like people are randomly posting without reading my prior posts properly. I think I explain myself quite well in those posts . :-)

I think thenewguy was referring back to rbi for saying no way are you doing 700 jelqs, he read it I'm sure. I am jelq'ing lately and I like the expansion I get as well. I do pretty much the same thing, but not for 2 hours. I think you have some bad outlooks in general though. Women don't want just a big cock, they want a MAN not a little childish boy. Like you said, they have the choices so do you think they are going to choose some arrogant shithead with a fat dick or a MAN, in all senses of the word, and whatever he has in his pants? Come on now. If those are the types of women around you then maybe you need to meet some new chicks!.. One of my good friends has a small dick, he isn't afraid to admit it, and he bangs way more girls than me, and alot of them are hot and he isn't even that good looking!! Pale, freckles, scrawny and out of shape. But he still does it, and loves it. So you don't need a big cock to get women, or laid, whichever you are aiming for... And just saying, you have all the time in the world. We are all living off the same clock, even with a busy life I still find time to PE and so do many others, you will be able to do it all your life no matter where you are at

[Dickie85]

I think thenewguy was referring back to rbi for saying no way are you doing 700 jelqs, he read it I'm sure. I am jelq'ing lately and I like the expansion I get as well. I do pretty much the same thing, but not for 2 hours. I think you have some bad outlooks in general though. Women don't want just a big cock, they want a MAN not a little childish boy. Like you said, they have the choices so do you think they are going to choose some arrogant shithead with a fat dick or a MAN, in all senses of the word, and whatever he has in his pants? Come on now. If those are the types of women around you then maybe you need to meet some new chicks!.. One of my good friends has a small dick, he isn't afraid to admit it, and he bangs way more girls than me, and alot of them are hot and he isn't even that good looking!! Pale, freckles, scrawny and out of shape. But he still does it, and loves it. So you don't need a big cock to get women, or laid, whichever you are aiming for... And just saying, you have all the time in the world. We are all living off the same clock, even with a busy life I still find time to PE and so do many others, you will be able to do it all your life no matter where you are at

Lol, now who isn't reading. I've already said that women want loads of other things and not just a big penis from a guy. My previous posts make that clear.

What about the surveys that say 67% of women are unsatisfied with their partner's penis size etc, this shows that penis size is still very important for women.

If a woman likes everything else about the guy, then she can live with him not having a large penis, but she would still be wishing that her almost perfect guy was hung. I don't want my partner secretly thinking that about me, simples. I accept that most average/small sized guys can live with their partners seeing them as almost perfect, but I can't. It probably is my own issue, but there we go.

I want a damn fine partner, and I want my partner to see me as great in all major respects too, (obviously no one is 100% perfect, everyone has minor niggles), and what I am saying is that penis size is a major component in evaluating a guy from a woman's perspective, it is not a minor niggle for her. I have spoken to lots of women and they either confirm this or the ones that haven't are normally because the subject of penis size hasn't come up in conversation.

[Boosie]

I feel the same way. I HATE the thought of my gf thinking "I wish it could be bigger"

[Dickie85]

I feel the same way. I HATE the thought of my gf thinking "I wish it could be bigger"

Exactly. Some of the most common things that (good, respectable, intelligent) women find most important in a guy are (in no particular order):

(i) Needs to be able to make them laugh, and have a general positive, happy, friendly vibe
(ii) Has a nice physical appearance, be well groomed, has good hygiene and takes care of how he looks
(iii) Has a decent sized penis, (i.e. comfortably above average)
(iv) Is manly, taller, protective, mature at the right times, loyal and trustworthy etc
(v) Doesn't have any major personality issues such as being clingy, obssessive, possessive, quick to anger etc
(vi) Gets on well with their friends and family
(vii) Has a reasonable job and isn't a lazy bum with no sense of adventure
(viii) Is good at listening and communicating with her, isn't afraid to talk through problems and not shy away from stuff
(ix) Is good in the bedroom and can please her sexually
(x) Is a great role model and father figure for their children

I don't know about most of you, but I absolutely do not want my partner to think I am lacking in any of those above main areas. I don't mind falling foul in less significant areas such as occasionally talking when my mouth is full or being a bit too argumentative or whatever, I can deal with that as like I've said before, no one's perfect and she won't be perfect in every way either.

It seems that some people in this thread apparently don't think we should mind not satisfying our partner with point (iii) above, despite the fact that they are desperately doing everything they personally can to make their own penis bigger...

Of course, most average and below average women would settle for their man satisfying 6, 7 or 8 of the above 10 areas, I mean, they're likely going out with average quality guys that are in their league afterall, so they can't expect them to be amazing men; but the majority of intelligent, classy, successful, ambitious alpha hotties will want 10 out of 10 satisfied by their manly, alpha-stud hero; it's only fair since they know that they tick all of his boxes.

[faithandhope]

Exactly. Some of the most common things that (good, respectable, intelligent) women find most important in a guy are (in no particular order):

(i) Needs to be able to make them laugh, and have a general positive, happy, friendly vibe
(ii) Has a nice physical appearance, be well groomed, has good hygiene and takes care of how he looks
(iii) Has a decent sized penis, (i.e. comfortably above average)
(iv) Is manly, taller, protective, mature at the right times etc
(v) Doesn't have any major personality issues such as being clingy, obssessive, possessive, quick to anger etc
(vi) Gets on well with their friends and family
(vii) Has a reasonable job and isn't a lazy bum with no sense of adventure
(viii) Is good at listening and communicating with her, isn't afraid to talk through problems and not shy away from stuff
(ix) Is good in the bedroom and can please her sexually
(x) Is a great role model and father figure for their children

So are you some kind of expert on women? Well, no offense sir but you won't even talk to them without having whatever you consider to be a huge dick in your pants, so I don't think your in any position to say who wants what, and when. I don't care WHO a girl is, how "ALPHA" she is (since you keep bringing that word up) or "successful", since success is a state of mind not a destination, or "hot", cause that is an opinion!! Do you expect every girl you go out with to be exceptionally perfect? If so, how do you react when they act imperfectly...??

I don't mean to come off as attacking your ideals, not isn't what I'm trying to do but basically I think your bang off if you think that women find dicks THAT important.. You make it seem like EVERY single guy who isn't hung and has a girlfriend, is secretly despised by them for not having a big enough dick. It also doesn't take a huge cock to make a girl cum many times, more than enough to be satisfied. I don't fill in all of those boxes, yet my last girlfriend was a fucking smokeshow!.. People are people, if a girl thinks she is hot shit enough to deserve someone who is all 10 of those boxes 100% of the time, I wouldn't even want to be around her for the mere fact that she is probably a snobby stuck up person

[ino]

Exactly. Some of the most common things that (good, respectable, intelligent) women find most important in a guy are (in no particular order):

(i) Needs to be able to make them laugh, and have a general positive, happy, friendly vibe
(ii) Has a nice physical appearance, be well groomed, has good hygiene and takes care of how he looks
(iii) Has a decent sized penis, (i.e. comfortably above average)
(iv) Is manly, taller, protective, mature at the right times etc
(v) Doesn't have any major personality issues such as being clingy, obssessive, possessive, quick to anger etc
(vi) Gets on well with their friends and family
(vii) Has a reasonable job and isn't a lazy bum
(viii) Is good at listening and communicating with her, isn't afraid to talk through problems and not shy away from stuff
(ix) Is good in the bedroom and can please her sexually
(x) Is a great role model and father figure for their children.

According to some research regarding the differences between the genders, both women and men are conditioned to believe that our cultivated personalities exceed the animal kingdom, and when women are asked what is the most important in a man, they invariably mention most of the above points, but put a less emphasis on the classical idea of a man's ability to provide for them and to protect them.

But those old ideas are appear to come back with a vengeance according to research: When braintests and polygraph-like devices are put onto women to measure emotional response, it shows that the male status in regards to job, money and 'muscles' (metaphorically speaking) score the highest among the larger percent of women, swiping all other arguments into secondary reasons for attraction. We can observe that this [revelation] contradicts their cultural upbringing and surprise most the women.

The last documentary I watched also went into this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNjKg3FrnxU

I think it is worth considering whether we are truly so successful at 'cultivating' ourselves to surpass biology like many of us believe, or at least be able to somewhat control our primitive responses? Or is it so that biology will always outsmart us and put us back to square one when it comes to our response from a primal echo deeply imprinted in our genepool? How much do we really control our partner- and sexual preferences and choices? The way gender research present the mentioned, it seems to me that we have progressed to become dandy and eloquent cavemen.

Surely I personally believe environment counts for lots of our development, but I'll still like to toss out the above for those who would care watching the documentary.

[Dickie85]

So are you some kind of expert on women? Well, no offense sir but you won't even talk to them without having whatever you consider to be a huge dick in your pants, so I don't think your in any position to say who wants what, and when. I don't care WHO a girl is, how "ALPHA" she is (since you keep bringing that word up) or "successful", since success is a state of mind not a destination, or "hot", cause that is an opinion!! Do you expect every girl you go out with to be exceptionally perfect? If so, how do you react when they act imperfectly...??

I don't mean to come off as attacking your ideals, not isn't what I'm trying to do but basically I think your bang off if you think that women find dicks THAT important.. You make it seem like EVERY single guy who isn't hung and has a girlfriend, is secretly despised by them for not having a big enough dick. It also doesn't take a huge cock to make a girl cum many times, more than enough to be satisfied. I don't fill in all of those boxes, yet my last girlfriend was a fucking smokeshow!.. People are people, if a girl thinks she is hot shit enough to deserve someone who is all 10 of those boxes 100% of the time, I wouldn't even want to be around her for the mere fact that she is probably a snobby stuck up person

Lol, I still talk to them, I'm just scared at getting naked with the hotties, as my personality comes across like I'm a big dicked dude without a care in the world, when actually that's just a facade since I'm Mr Average between the legs.

Again, you're talking about this 'perfection' nonsense, when those 10 areas that a woman ideally wants a guy to do well in are reasonable requests in my opinion. They aren't demanding perfection, they are just demanding the guy to be 'pretty darn good' or 'f*cking decent'.

As for the bit in bold, this is already addressed by the average and below average women comments I made. Average women in average relationships with average guys will probably just be happy with a man that fits 6 or 7 of the 10 criteria, hell that's better than the loser boyfriends she's had in the past that were only hitting the mark with 2 of the 10. However, just because an average woman is 'happy' with her average man fulfilling most of her criteria, that does not mean that she is not secrectly yearning that he could satisfy the 'big dick' criteria too, particularly when she hears about some of her friends having partners with big cocks. She's a little bit jealous of them, but she keeps it to herself as she doesn't want to ruin her ok relationship with Mr Average.

If you look back at my list, you can see that having a big dong (iii) and pleasing a woman sexually (ix) are separate attributes, i.e they are not necessarily dependent on each other. Therefore I don't know why you're bringing up the fact that a huge cock is not needed to make a woman cum many times, where did I mention anything about a woman cumming and how she needs a big cock for that? You're making up stuff that I've said and making convenient presumptions so that you can then attack me on those convenient presumptions. I'm guessing you're just kidding and messing around with this, at least I hope you are. If so, well done, you got me. Lol?

[frisson]

This thread turned into one hell of a flame war.

Dickie85, even though you joined a year ago, you've only started posting recently and you've managed to anger several of the senior members here. Be very careful. This is one hell of a supportive community, it takes a lot of passive aggression or outright jerkiness to piss people off here. You don't want to end up banned.

This whole thing about jelqs per hour is ridiculous. I can barely stuff the JP90 routine into an hour and fifteen minutes and my jelqing sessions usually last about 45 minutes in and of themselves--that's 240 jelqs in 45 minutes, non-stop. You should check out rbi99's UJs and UVs. They're fantastic.

I haven't encountered this important question throughout this thread: Dickie85, do you, or have you, worked out? Have you put some serious 12-18 month effort into your body? Eating healthily and exercising six or seven days per week? Your attitude seems to suggest that you haven't. Working biceps, for example, for six hours (even two!) straight is dangerous and stupid. You will gain nothing and you'll only hurt yourself. This is your one and only penis we're talking about here, treat it with respect.

On that same note, when you work out with any consistency and dedication, you quickly learn just how important form is. Speed jelqing and/or marathon jelqing isn't going to reap any excess benefits. Why not jelq for an hour, which is within reason, and spend the second hour putting yourself through P90X? That way, in about 3 months, you'll have earned yourself a bangin' body and a larger tool.

What are your measurements, exactly? I read a post of yours and you mentioned something like 6.8x4.9. That's post 2-hour-workout as well, so your real measurements are likely something like 6.7x4.7. That's not small, my friend. Your length is well above average and your girth sits comfortably in the average range. You're fine. You need to relax and pursue this process calmly. If you want to beat your meat for 2 hours every day, be my guest, but don't run back to us complaining that we didn't warn you. You're pushing into some seriously dangerous territory.

Your hyper-defensiveness suggests trauma. Has an ex-lover of yours made fun of your size, or has a friend of yours bragged about his size and the women he "satisfies" with it? Something along those lines has deeply affected you. You need to realize this. You need to do away with your penile fixation and focus on more healthy avenues of life.

I believe BigO mentioned somewhere that your view is somewhat skewed. I noticed this as well. My above postulation is further evidenced by the fact that you wrote "I deserve a bigger penis due to the work I've put into it." No. That is indeed an unhealthy way to see things. Guys have put more effort into their workouts for a longer period of time yet have gained far less--and are happy with what they've earned! You're sitting at nearly ~7x5 and throwing a pity party! It's both immature and suggestive of deep-seated issues. You need a hefty amount of attitude reevaluation.

[Vulture]

Dickie and I are on the same page. I feel exactly how you feel bro. Always insecure about the size and shit...My stats are almost same as yours and I want to get that 8 by 6 monster but currently just the length and it has to be as soon as possible too...However it's important to look at the health of your thing.
Keep doing what works best for you, and listen to your body my friend. When I get that Bib I'm planning on hanging 3-4 hours a day and get my 2 inch gains ASAP so I can hit that cervix just so girls know this guy got a long one. I'm way below average in girth so I just want to hit that cervix and make the girls uncomfortable.

[Dickie85]

This thread turned into one hell of a flame war.

Dickie85, even though you joined a year ago, you've only started posting recently and you've managed to anger several of the senior members here. Be very careful. This is one hell of a supportive community, it takes a lot of passive aggression or outright jerkiness to piss people off here. You don't want to end up banned.

This whole thing about jelqs per hour is ridiculous. I can barely stuff the JP90 routine into an hour and fifteen minutes and my jelqing sessions usually last about 45 minutes in and of themselves--that's 240 jelqs in 45 minutes, non-stop. You should check out rbi99's UJs and UVs. They're fantastic.

I haven't encountered this important question throughout this thread: Dickie85, do you, or have you, worked out? Have you put some serious 12-18 month effort into your body? Eating healthily and exercising six or seven days per week? Your attitude seems to suggest that you haven't. Working biceps, for example, for six hours (even two!) straight is dangerous and stupid. You will gain nothing and you'll only hurt yourself. This is your one and only penis we're talking about here, treat it with respect.

On that same note, when you work out with any consistency and dedication, you quickly learn just how important form is. Speed jelqing and/or marathon jelqing isn't going to reap any excess benefits. Why not jelq for an hour, which is within reason, and spend the second hour putting yourself through P90X? That way, in about 3 months, you'll have earned yourself a bangin' body and a larger tool.

I'm not quite sure what my post count has to do with anything at all. You seem to be implying that I must be wrong with what I'm saying, purely because others have been on this forum longer. Is that what you mean? I could have been posting on other PE forums for years for all you know. Why would I get banned when I have stated my arguments well and defended my points? I haven't got angry at all or pissed off with anyone. Other people seem to have got pissed off, yes, but this is probably down to their own issues and frustrations, I can't help that they aren't able to stay calm and collected, this is something they need to address.

Not sure how whether I've worked out or not has anything to do with it, your penis operates differently to standard muscles. Some of your muscles like your calves can be worked out every day, no reason why your penis can't be as well. People need to stop trying to apply hard and fast comparisons between PE and working out. There are some similarities for sure, but there are also key differences.

I'm not going to work out when I'm not massively out of shape and I have a 'small' dong. Dong size is more important to me than being ripped. I can concentrate on my body when my large penis is in place.

I've been jelqing for an hour, I did that yesterday. That is already stated in this thread.

Your hyper-defensiveness suggests trauma. Has an ex-lover of yours made fun of your size, or has a friend of yours bragged about his size and the women he "satisfies" with it? Something along those lines has deeply affected you. You need to realize this. You need to do away with your penile fixation and focus on more healthy avenues of life.

It's not hyper defensiveness, you seem to be missing that people on here are either putting words into my mouth and/or making incorrect presumptions so that they can then make arguments against my points. They are trying to misrepresent my position so that they can make their comments more effectively, this is plain wrong. Of course I'm going to defend that. I am surprised that you can't see this. I've been pointing out the key areas when this has been happening. e.g. when I said that women have a keen preference for a larger penis size, then another poster seemed to think that I was also saying you need a big penis to make a woman cum and then started banging on about that and criticising me for how ludicrous I was being. Why are you missing this? This is a terrible approach for them to be using that doesn't aid productive discussion at all, but hey, they've been posting on this particular site longer so I guess they must know what they're doing right?

As for my measurements, they are in this thread, 6.1 x 4.7, that's around about average.

I believe BigO mentioned somewhere that your view is somewhat skewed. I noticed this as well. My above postulation is further evidenced by the fact that you wrote "I deserve a bigger penis due to the work I've put into it." No. That is indeed an unhealthy way to see things. Guys have put more effort into their workouts for a longer period of time yet have gained far less--and are happy with what they've earned! You're sitting at nearly ~7x5 and throwing a pity party! It's both immature and suggestive of deep-seated issues. You need a hefty amount of attitude reevaluation.

You don't know anything about my PE past, you seem to be alluding to the fact that I have started this in the last year when actually it's been dogging me for 10 years now with lots of effort on my part, so I deserve a big cock if effort were the primary deciding factor. You like to make lots of presumptions to fit your point also it seems.

I am nowhere near 7 x 5... I wish.

Your comments about me being immature and having deep-seated issues because I apparently, actually have a decent, well above average cock size are just laughable. I am 6.1 x 4.7, this is average at best. In reality it could be below the 'effective' average since bigger penises tend to see more action.

I really have no faith in your arguments anymore, I keep having to point out all these weird presumptions you're making and it's boring me now. Start with direct quotes and addressing comments specifically, then we can talk some more. By all means ask for more information if you need it; just please stop going off on tangents and presuming things that aren't true so that you can make a 'better' point.