- 08-12-2013 #1
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- Aug 2013
We already know PE exercises are very similar to training at any sort of exercise be it yoga, running or weight lifting. I have been thinking about PE a lot since I can't actually practice it right now due to traveling and not enough privacy. I haven't been a PEGym member for long so I might be just repeating what someone else has said in an older thread. I would like to shed some light on similarities from PE to cycling by a semi-professional athlete who is very serious about training hard and safely in his own sport.
Now my sport is cycling, Mountain Bike racing XC (cross country) to be specific. I have ridden on and off since I was 13. Naturally I got a little stronger just by doing cycling once a week but it was mainly puberty that allowed me to get stronger slowly over the years. When I hit the age of 18 I found my self a trainer. I wanted to take this sport to the next level. I was inexperienced and very determined and naive at this age. Expecting to be given huge cycling weeks and have to take crazy supplements and give up life to train all the time, and that I would have to wake up at 3am every morning to train; I would have to get heaps of sponsors etc. No. Well some of that is true but only loosely.
My trainer started off by telling me that 90% of the sport is mental. (I was very weak mental) and the rest is training. My trainer also said that we would see how I go with some test rides. This is when he told me 90% of my physical training will be on a road bike. Not a mountain bike. Instead of giving me heaps of kilometres he told me to do certain amount of time on the bike. Not distance, not how hard I could go or how fast I could do it. Just time, at my own natural pace. The first ride he told me to see if I could do an 1hr and 10min of straight riding. I planned out a ride and did 1hr 5min. He asked why I didn't do an extra 5min. I said because I had finished my ride. He asked again, why didn't you do an extra 5min? That's when it dawned on me that this isn't about how fast you do your training, it's about doing it properly. Proper training and staying strict to your schedule is crucial to improving.
At the moment I get a monthly training program. It roughly goes a normal week of training intensity followed by another normal week. Then I have a 'hard' week of training. This can either be intensity of the rides or the quantity of the rides. After the hard week I am given an easy week. Now I started off doing maybe an hour a day with 1 rest day in the week.
Recently I have been building up to this competition. So this is what a hard week was for me. Waking up at 3:30am, out on the road by 4:30am, do 3.5hrs - 4hrs of riding. Work until 2pm. Get home and relax until 3pm. Then go out and do 1.5hr ride in the afternoon each day for 5 days, then I had two races on the Saturday and Sunday. Now granted I was set a KM distance this week rather than time. So 3.5hr - 4hrs of riding was about 110km and 1.5hrs was about 50km.
As you can see I am fairly serious about training and how dedicated I am to my sport. It takes up a lot of my life and it's actually going to be quite difficult to fit PEGym into it. But I am sure I can manage. After reading all that you are probably thinking, "Where is he going with this?".
Now I said earlier I was thinking about this a lot on my travels. PEGym is very similar to training for sport. As for cycling, when you first start you have to do little bits to see how you go. You have to see if you can stick to the program. Just like cycling you have to condition your muscles and ligaments, just as you have to condition and stretch your penis. For cycling I do some "active" stretching which is a short stretching session briefly stretching everything. But stretching after training is heaps more important and it can myself take up to 1.5hrs to properly stretch all my muscles. This is probably not the same amount of time for your penis but it is just important.
With cycling you generally have a race you want to train for. Now this is where it is slightly different for PEGym, you can have a penis length and girth goal. But it isn't something you can aim for on a calendar date. So training won't be like cycling in this aspect.
In cycling you do a whole base period where you condition and strengthen your muscles and build up, you got it, your 'base'. This is probably closely similar to cementing your gains in PE or simply getting ready for your gains. In this period you won't be getting super fast or super strong but you will be readying you body for high intensity sessions. You might see where I am going with this in relation to PEGym.
So I was thinking up the perfect training schedule for PEGym. Obviously if you're a beginner like my self you will need to build a base and condition. So lets take JP's 90 day training course into use as a great base for all beginners as much of us will agree. Then lets take this and by using my cycling history lets put it into practice. First week is trying to do the time/sessions. If you can't do it. Don't force anything you will only force injury. I would say first month is a whole testing ground. Now since you haven't been doing this you might notice either a stronger penis or even some length or girth. Girth to me reminds me of intensity and strength. A little tricky and hard to train and difficult to perfect but can give great results.
The second month of this 90 days course will probably be looking back at your last months results, see how you went. Are you hurting or are you feeling great? If so I would say tack on time, so that might mean maybe an extra half session of jelq reps or a second stretch session. Remember to warm down really really well. This lets you continue the next day with less stress.
Third week if you haven't noticed some gains and you're feeling on the limit of how much you can do. The conditioning training might not be working for you since your biological build will only let you endure hard sessions before you make gains. But this will put stress on your body and you will run on the thin line of gains and injury. As long as you follow the golden rules of warming up, and war mining down really well you shouldn't go wrong.
Now you have completed your JP 90 day course you should be logging and looking at your results and seeing where you are. Always do base if you don't want to do anything more. Base will always slowly increase your size and condition your penis even more so. If you do the same routine day in day out though your body can get use to it and will probably minimise gains. So when people say switch up routines I would say focus on other things, try and switch from training both EG to EL and switch them around for two weeks and focus on one and only do a little of the other.
Now as I said my training was two weeks normal, one week hard and one easy week. I think this is an ok thing to try after conditioning. So do two normal weeks of what routine you feel is 'normal'. Personally I think I will do JP's 90 day course but just more and altering between doing more of one than the other each month. Hard week might be introducing hanging or other techniques. Hard week could be either, double sessions of your normal routine each day, or extreme sessions but half as long as your normal sessions. Intensity = less time/reps Endurance = more time, not as intense. So you should know your body quite well after 90+ days.
Now for rest days. I seriously don't think you don't need them as much or if any after the 90 days, 5 days on, 2 days off. You can have easy days instead of rest days. This might mean just warm ups and a couple of stretches and warm downs. Maybe 30min tops. This keeps the muscles still working and repairing properly. That's how muscles work. It's called active recovery in cycling. After hard weeks or days I always do a 30min roll about. As easy as we want as well, slower than walking pace if we choose to, as long as we are using the muscles.
Also another note I would like to raise. Training times. Obviously we are all restricted to when we can get the time to work out. From what I know about from sports science articles is that different age groups will have their muscles more activated at different times of the day. So roughly the stats go: kids from about 6-12 will be more active in the early hours of the morning. Young Adults 13 - early 20's, will be more activated around 4pm in the afternoon due to puberty and the sleep they need. As we get older that slips back to morning. So very late 20's onwards and up, morning should be he best time to train. So just an interesting facts for PE members to see when they feel they are most naturally active. It's always why you might not feel as enthusiastic to go to the gym or for a run in the afternoon if you are older.
I can understand that my training program was slightly tailored to me but its still a generic training program for most athletes in endurance sports. PE is a close fit to endurance sports. Since you have to do the time and be consistent to get gains. To increase my speed I have to train hard. I was just thinking if any of my theories might have some improvement to how people train?
Personally I think stretching contraptions are perhaps not the best thing when I think about it as a cyclist and athlete. If I were to cycling for 6hrs I would get some benefit out of it. If I were to work up to 6hrs think I would need to do many hours of 2hr days for a month then 2.5 for another month until you got to a point where it was healthy for your penis to endure 6hr days. Even then it might not be the best thing just doing the same old thing each day. If I were to use one I would do about 2hrs during the day. Then do a stretch session and a half jelq session and then heaps of kegels after a long warm down.
So yeah give me questions and comment on what you think. I have plenty of time to read and respond and correct my post mistakes.
- 08-14-2013 #2
- 08-14-2013 #3
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Interesting idea to have normal, hard and easy days or weeks. Still, the best thing that you can ever do (in my opinion) is listen to your body.
If you are a beginner using a routine like JP90's you're are making a bet that since this routine has worked for so many other people (the exact speed, amount of time and exercises) will either make you gain, condition your penis, or at the very least not hurt you while you figure out your PE. Presuming you can understand it and perform it correctly...
In the first three months or so of PE you should focus on building an understanding of your body that is comprehensive enough so that you know whether your penis needs work or not. Once you get to this intermediate level, a routine is no longer necessary because you can feel whether your penis needs more jelqing, stretching, 1 rest day, 2 rest days, 1 rest week, 3 days on, etc.
At an advanced level I believe it's possible to revert back to a routine. Simply because you know your penis so well that you understand the exact balance of what it needs to grow. To the point that you can set up a routine just because it will be easier to follow and saves time. But thats at a very advanced level, presumably after years of PE.
I suppose I could be completely wrong, but to me this makes sense. This is the frame of thought I will continue to come from when I look at routines until something comes along that proves itself to be better.
I guess my point is that as soon as you learn your body well enough, continue to do the general exercises that work, but don't feel obligated to stick to a certain numbers of days on or off. If you happen to think that a routine helps you, then do it. If not, then realize that you don't necessarily need one, but it might be helpful later.
- 08-16-2013 #4
Well... props to OP and Danster579 for an interesting read though not sure how many readers will latch onto it to that degree.
When you mentioned the mental aspect of sports and the challenge of sticking with the program, my mind basically exploded. You can definitely tow PE and sports adjacent as far as progress is concerned, long term short term and so on--all manifestations of the insatiable beast inside of us.
So much depends on  how far one's willing to go and  observable results thereafter. Like OP wrote, with certain disciplines the planning does tend to get rather specific. I want to peak at [this date] for [some event], I want to increase x by n%, I want to maintain [some standard] throughout [some time frame], etc. If things aren't working out, be honest and reevaluate.
I've got other things going aside from PE currently and the above post pretty much sums up how I've gone about doing them. FME I feel building awareness is quite important especially for the long run.
- 08-16-2013 #5
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- Feb 2012
While I did read the long posts, I'm going to disagree on a general degree.
You mention conditioning your penis, building up a base etc. However, when I PE, I don't go out with the aim of being able to do more PE next month. The ideal would be having to do little work for big gains. I PE with the aim that maintaining this routine without increasing reps or intensity is all my penis needs to grow.
People get so impatient with PE, if someone gains a bit one month they think oh yeah my penis can handle it, I'll do more work and the gains will keep coming. However the penis doesn't work like normal muscles- you could keep up what you're doing now and it would still gain. Only once you plateau should you think about maybe increasing reps etc. or maybe even all you need is a short decon break and then you could maintain gaining from the less intense workout.
The thing is, so many people have seen good gains from 30minutes of PE a day, which over time they slowly increase because their penis become accustomed to the stress its put under. However you see people starting out with like a 2 hour session. And yes they could gain from that, but doing that for a long time means their penis would become accustomed to 2 hour sessions, and doing any less intense workout would be much less effective. Determination and willpower only needs to come into play if you've been PEing for a long time or if you naturally need higher intensity-higher volume workouts-in my mind anyway. Approaching PE slowly and smartly is the beest way to maximise effectiveness of your workout.
I realise this sort of veered off topic from the OP, I just went off into a tangent of thought. And I also realise people will disagree and of course there will be people for whom this is plain wrong.
I just automatically disagree with any theory that compares PE to exercising skeletal muscles- because people end up training their PE as if to make it stronger, rather than make it longer.
I do agree with the idea of varied weeks- I do the same in a similar sport to yours (OP), and keeping your body from becoming accustomed to high intensity exercise is great.
Now for your personalised JP90 a few things- yes month one is a testing ground, figuring out how to do exercises, technique, finding out if you should be on a 5on2off or 2on1off or 1on1off etc. However moving on to month two, you say you should look at the gains you've already seen. That's far too early to be worrying about gains for me. Sure you can look, but most people who see they aren't gaining end up changing their routine or increasing intensity. Don't let any results after just 1 month affect the routine you do for the next month, its too early to need any increases.
You place a heavy importance on warming down- however that's personal choice- most PE forums are split, some love warm downs, some think them pointless. I only warm down after girth if I feel it might have been a bit much, but unlike skeletal muscles a warm down really isn't that important. I think that naturally turtling might even have something to do with initiation of the recovery process so should be allowed to happen as soon as possible, then maybe a bit after you've finished you could do a LAS.
I'm too tired to continue voicing my opinions on this, I can already see my writing is scattered and contains paragraphs of one sentence that are pretty separate from the rest of the text, this is more a random jumble of my own views of PE with no specific evidence, however its always nice to have a little debate hahaI'm back!
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