Quote Originally Posted by samsi4life View Post
Yes listen to bigo and draggin maybe you are like me i never gained alone from manual routines so i got a pump and did manuals gained a permanat .5 girth and got an extender 1 and a half months ago and gained 1 cm bpel already... you sound like me and if your serious enough you gotta take it to the next level
I was gonna wait until I definitely saw real gains before I spent any money, was hoping just for 1cm of proof of all of this pe stuff, kind of gets discouraging that I spent so much time and haven't seen much.

Quote Originally Posted by samsi4life View Post
You should also go to the pegyn theories forum and check out in the sticky thread tgc theory to maximize gains
I did check this out as well, and my limiting factor is length apparently but my measurements are about 6.2 bpel and 4.5eg, so I was hoping for it to actually be girth, cause that's where I seem small compared to the majority of peeps.