Maxing out certain ligament gains

[kickinthemebs Senior Member Member of the Month Feb 2014 Find all posts View Profile Close kickinthemebs]

I was curious about this for a while now and could not seem to find anything of relevance in my thread searches. It is in relation to getting gains from specific ligament groups and the possibility of maxing out potential gains from these before moving on to the next one.

There are two types of ligaments in the penis, the fundiform and the suspensory ligaments: Penis Anatomy 101 | PEGym

The fundiform ligaments get hit mostly from side stretches or devices that pull to the side. The suspensory ligaments get hit most when stretching/hanging straight down. My question is can you get considerable gains from say the fundiform ligaments if you were extending to the side and had no downward exercises for a certain period, and then after months move onto something like hanging which hits the suspensory ligaments quite hard?

I know that there is a certain holism here, in that you cannot purely just work one without also working the other, but with exercises focusing on one angle (either the side or straight down), you concentrate on one area over the other.

I have been extending and stretching purely to the sides and upward for nearly ten months now, but today I experimented with hanging and I felt like a total newbie even with incredibly light weight (like 2 lbs maybe), whereas I would have extended for hours with up to 6 lbs.

Anyone have experience/ideas about this?

[kickinthemebs Senior Member Member of the Month Feb 2014 Find all posts View Profile Close kickinthemebs]

This is an image DonJelqer76 created, it might help to illustrate my point/question a bit better:

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[burtybasset Retired Moderator Member of the Month May 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close burtybasset]

Hey mebs, am I right in thinking that extending isolate the tuinica? I'm aware your extender of choice is the Phallosan, but I still thought it resembles an angled tunica tug of sorts - mostly excluding the ligaments.

Extending forces are applied in two directions, whereas hanging force is applied in one direction I thought?

I also read in a thread by Blink2000 I think, that hanging targets the ligs first, then the tunica because they are tougher. Don't know if this is relevant?

[kickinthemebs Senior Member Member of the Month Feb 2014 Find all posts View Profile Close kickinthemebs]

Yup, this is another good point Burty

I feel with the phallosan that it hits the tunica primarily (from the feeling) and only secondarily the ligaments. The main place that I feel fatigue with my extender is my shaft itself, never really the ligaments at all. And from my above posts, stretching to the side/upwards, it would primarily target the fundiform ligaments, leaving the suspensory ligaments basically untouched. Even with my manual stretching, I nearly always stretched to the side or straight out, so I am thinking there would be room for suspensory ligament gains if I were to hang.

I have also read from a lot of people's posts that the ligaments are the easiest gains, while the tunica is a lot more difficult to manipulate and gain from. Hopefully we can get a few of the more experienced guys to chime in on the topic too.

Yes, hanging is reportedly hitting the ligaments first, and tunica second. It is an interesting area of discussion, particularly when there is the possibility of seeing some nice gains from a variation in your routine

Hey mebs, am I right in thinking that extending isolate the tuinica? I'm aware your extender of choice is the Phallosan, but I still thought it resembles an angled tunica tug of sorts - mostly excluding the ligaments.

Extending forces are applied in two directions, whereas hanging force is applied in one direction I thought?

I also read in a thread by Blink2000 I think, that hanging targets the ligs first, then the tunica because they are tougher. Don't know if this is relevant?

[sssssteve Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close sssssteve]

I just target lower angles as an auxiliary form of stretching. lately, when stretching upward at higher angles, I have been pressing and massaging into the tissues along the sides of my shaft and actually directly targeting the connective points of the ligaments on my shaft. it sounds weird but if you did it you would know exactly what I am talking about. it just takes a little bit and it feels loose and relaxed afterwards.

[kickinthemebs Senior Member Member of the Month Feb 2014 Find all posts View Profile Close kickinthemebs]

Funnily enough I was doing this the other day during a manual stretching routine, it felt good!

I just target lower angles as an auxiliary form of stretching. lately, when stretching upward at higher angles, I have been pressing and massaging into the tissues along the sides of my shaft and actually directly targeting the connective points of the ligaments on my shaft. it sounds weird but if you did it you would know exactly what I am talking about. it just takes a little bit and it feels loose and relaxed afterwards.

[sevenfun Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close sevenfun]

I do the same. Feels GOOD to massage.... I also stretch general groin area. I hope by the time I have some relevant improved mobility... my dick has grown

[kickinthemebs Senior Member Member of the Month Feb 2014 Find all posts View Profile Close kickinthemebs]

So do any of the vets have opinions on this thread? Moving from doing only side and upward exercises to only downward exercises?

[Big Al AdministratorPEGym EditorMale Enhancement Coach Rep.PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Big Al]

A great post

The simple "Side to Side" stretch stresses the suspensory lig from it being done in a downwards position, and the ancillary ligs from the side to side motions. The penis itself is also stretched out as well.

Most any multiangular stretch that is done with the penis in a downwards position will target just about all of the ligs, but other positions (upwards, etc.) should be considered from time to time for maximum results, as it's not just the ligs that restrict length.

[kickinthemebs Senior Member Member of the Month Feb 2014 Find all posts View Profile Close kickinthemebs]

What about if one was extending in an upright/sideways position for many months and all of their manual exercises were done the same way. Would one benefit from altering their routine to include or concentrate on downward position exercises in order to work those suspensory ligaments which were not worked as much as their other ligs?

All things considered of course, not including or discussing about gains from tunica etc, but just an analysis of ligament gains. It is an interesting idea I had earlier, because all of my exercises/extending were static holds to the side, but when I hung straight down it felt totally different and a lot more intense in areas that felt unworked or under-worked.

A great post

The simple "Side to Side" stretch stresses the suspensory lig from it being done in a downwards position, and the ancillary ligs from the side to side motions. The penis itself is also stretched out as well.

Most any multiangular stretch that is done with the penis in a downwards position will target just about all of the ligs, but other positions (upwards, etc.) should be considered from time to time for maximum results, as it's not just the ligs that restrict length.

[rbi99 Retired Moderator Member of the Month Nov 2017PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close rbi99]

I am a little confused with all of this. Let me tell you what I do and what I might gain by trying something else. All of my jelqing as many know is very intense and does involve a good degree of stretching from the intensity of the force I use. I also have done a million LAS's, many bundled. That being said, all of that activity was done in a downward direction (standing and force of pull directed toward the floor). I feel I have stretched my suspensory ligs as much as manual effort can stretch them. I am not going to hang or extend, so I am wondering from what you guys are saying what I might gain by manually going in other directions.

[kickinthemebs Senior Member Member of the Month Feb 2014 Find all posts View Profile Close kickinthemebs]

Again, this is only a very preliminary idea, but as there are two primary ligament structures at work, it would indicate the possibility of achieving gains by using exercises that impact the other type of ligament if you solely/predominantly concentrated on one for a long time.

As you mentioned that your main stretching exercise is the bundled LAS in the downward direction, it would indicate that your suspensory ligaments gains have maxed out. An alternative approach may be to totally change the direction of your stretching to the sides and to really concentrate on these to the (probably) un-worked or under-worked fundiform ligaments.

This again is all pure speculation, but it is something I have been thinking about, and because you mentioned before that it is virtually impossible for you to get length gains, it might be worth a shot? I for one will definitely put this theory into practice in 2 months time, as I want to do a full year before dramatically altering my PE methods with the incorporation of hanging.

If you are going to try out this method, I would greatly appreciate any feedback you have, because it is an interesting avenue to take, especially for those like yourself and myself who have predominantly stretched in the one direction.

I am a little confused with all of this. Let me tell you what I do and what I might gain by trying something else. All of my jelqing as many know is very intense and does involve a good degree of stretching from the intensity of the force I use. I also have done a million LAS's, many bundled. That being said, all of that activity was done in a downward direction (standing and force of pull directed toward the floor). I feel I have stretched my suspensory ligs as much as manual effort can stretch them. I am not going to hang or extend, so I am wondering from what you guys are saying what I might gain by manually going in other directions.

[Big Al AdministratorPEGym EditorMale Enhancement Coach Rep.PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Big Al]

What about if one was extending in an upright/sideways position for many months and all of their manual exercises were done the same way. Would one benefit from altering their routine to include or concentrate on downward position exercises in order to work those suspensory ligaments which were not worked as much as their other ligs?

All things considered of course, not including or discussing about gains from tunica etc, but just an analysis of ligament gains. It is an interesting idea I had earlier, because all of my exercises/extending were static holds to the side, but when I hung straight down it felt totally different and a lot more intense in areas that felt unworked or under-worked.

Once could still benefit, but the main limiting factor in length is almost always the suspensory ligament- and that ligament is best stretched using a strethc done in the downward position.

With an extender, you can est out the level of tension your penis gets merely by adjusting the position (this is assuming that your extender has a rotating base). The downward setting is usually going to give you much more of a stretch than when the device is pointing upwards.

[kickinthemebs Senior Member Member of the Month Feb 2014 Find all posts View Profile Close kickinthemebs]

Cool, thanks for your help BigAl, that is very interesting. Hanging is definitely on the cards for me in the future then

Once could still benefit, but the main limiting factor in length is almost always the suspensory ligament- and that ligament is best stretched using a strethc done in the downward position.

With an extender, you can est out the level of tension your penis gets merely by adjusting the position (this is assuming that your extender has a rotating base). The downward setting is usually going to give you much more of a stretch than when the device is pointing upwards.

[NeverEnough9 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close NeverEnough9]

Would it be beneficial to just stretch at all angles so that you hit all ligs and tunica leaving no room for missed restrictions?