My thoughts after much study on the penis size issue.

**Party** · 11-22-2014

Glad to be of help.

**JamesLong** · 11-22-2014

Originally Posted by drfrankencock

Do you just pop back in every few months to stir up some shit and then disappear? You've apparently not been active in a long time, and then you seem to be looking to get a rise out of people in two threads on the same day. Seems like odd behavior.

This is the best part of this entire thread. 8th reply and Andros is now gone.

He implies that the only reason that we are enlarging our penis is to be better in bed. Yes, this is a large reason for majority of the men on this site but there is still a good amount that are hear for plenty of other reasons. I read a thread EVERY DAY about men who are here to build their own confidence to feel better about themselves to have the confidence to actually go up to a woman and have a conversation opposed to being shy or fear of being embarrassed.

How many success stories are their on here about guys who have felt better about themselves and now have gone on to have confidence to do things that they would have never tried if they didn't conquer the fear they were having.

Or how about the guys who are here to last longer in bed? Who exercise their penis to be able to last longer then the 30 seconds that they can currently last. I see it all the time, " Hey, I don't want to gain size I just want to be able to last longer"

Or how about the guys that are here to fix the curve in their penis? Or the guys who want to know how to become a better lover now without even starting to gain length or girth? Or the guys who know they have a problem with Porn and need help and support and the system required to be able to step away.

What I'm getting at is this community is so much more then this mans pathetic rant about Length and Girth...

JL

**WIItard** · 11-22-2014

There is a lot going at this site. As always there will be a few guys and for whatever reason they will go over board. It's like bodybuilders who can never become big enough, matter of time before they get into the steroids then HGH and who knows what else. In the bodybuilders case some of them will die at a very early age. Some will blow out their shoulders or backs. I'm sure some guy has gone insane with PE and will never have a big enough cock. I'm sure one of those guys is still at it and can't even get it up any more. Obsessive personalities come into play as well.
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**BigO** · 11-22-2014

Originally Posted by sssssteve

"men chose"... seriously? and you dont think the dude with the bigger dick slipped in after the "alpha" was done and placed his own deposit?

and if you pay attention to the components of the female glance/stare then you would know that it is the subconscious component that comes before any kind of conscious thoughts/actions (meaning before or during initial conversations... if any actually takes place). for women sizing up men, the crotch/bulge is about number 2 to 3 down the list (after initial eye contact).

Many many scientists believe that humans have lived together in monogamy from the beginning.

Men were not all banging the same chick. Men defended their women. They did not have harems and the plunger dick thing is hilarious.

It's simply not true and I have read just about all of those articles.

**namsokiek** · 11-22-2014

If those theories were true, that women chose men to scew because of their alpha dick and chose a smaller dick spouse to raise the alpha's offspring, and the alpha's dick would plunger out the other's sperm when the slutty whore jumped right into the alpha's bed after screwing her beta husband...why do so many men now a days have small dicks?

**Andros** · 11-23-2014

Originally Posted by drfrankencock

Andros. I have been doing some research myself. I am curious about why at various times you have said you weren't interested in girth increases much, yet you were supposedly a Bathmate user. Why? Did you expect the Bathmate to increase your length? And you claim you had a pelvic injury that caused you to stop using the Bathmate for two weeks. I've never heard of this and have no idea how it is possible. But here's a link to the thread to which I am referring, in case you don't remember 100%.

https://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-d...ys-needed.html

Oh, and here is the one where you are talking about primarily looking for length gains, and also espousing your dislike of jelqing, and even kind of arguing with Dangler about the subject. Not that I'm criticizing in any way, just helping the conversation along.

https://www.pegym.com/forums/beginne...sal-nerve.html In fact, to your credit, this shows that you have been reading up on PE since at least June 28, 2013.

Now, I do agree that this could be a serious problem. Hot water injuring the penis is very bad. Sorry. I hope you worked this out. Perhaps you found a good product to buy that prevented hot water from burning your penis.
https://www.pegym.com/forums/beginne...tml#post714896

Oh, okay, awesome, you did. https://www.pegym.com/forums/beginne...ming-up-2.html but your pelvis lost heat quickly. Okay, sorry. I was so rooting for you though. Anyone who has done a lot of research on PE knows that proper pelvic heating is the most important aspect of a safe workout.

I am waiting on a picture, but I think I am going to have to be disappointed. https://www.pegym.com/forums/beginne...tml#post714707 Oh well.

Oh, I'm curious, do you have anything against the "like" system on this site? The only reason I ask is because you seem to only have 1 like, and that user was banned. I was really digging your posts, but that kind of scared me. It just seems a bit "off". Not implying anything nefarious. It's just not my thing.

I'm sorry about your obviously low self-esteem. https://www.pegym.com/forums/womans-...tml#post712715 Maybe you could go back and bump the thread, let us know if that has changed or not.

You tend to talk about extremes, like 3" vs 8". https://www.pegym.com/forums/womans-...ent-sizes.html That seems self-defeating to anyone with an average sized penis such as yours. It even seems extreme to someone as helpful as me who would take the extreme measure of searching through your posts to find relevant content in the hope of helping you on the road to PE success.

Oh, man, I have to pee so bad. If I didn't, I would go on, but nature calls. I hope this is helpful to the discussion though!

All the best!

Ok people, freakin' relax!! I don't really have much of a reason to come here often anymore, but my post was valid and not meant as a troll.

So here goes:

1. Yes I have a Bathmate. It's sitting there stored away and hasn't been used in over a year and a half, for 2 very large reasons:

a. YES, I actually did hurt myself the first time I tried it. I started to pump and felt a pain going up the top/side of my penis. I stopped immediately and wondered what the hell happened. Some quick Google searching showed that there is something called the spermatic cords that basically run outside the body, and the only thing protecting them is your skin and whatever layer of fat you happen to have.

One of the reasons for this is that the Bathmate gaiter is made out of this incredibly hard rubber that is very hard to compress. I think it was a huge mistake to make it that hard, so it takes a lot of pressure to compress and that must have nicked my spermatic cord.

Btw it took approx. 6 months for the pain to completely go away.

However, I had "fixed" that issue by doing the following: Instead of pressing the full pressure of the gaiter against my body, I grabbed the sides of the gaiter with my thumbs, and would compress it with my hands, ensuring that most of the compressive force was handled by my fingers, while still keeping a seal.

But then I ran into issue #2. I had a vasectomy done. It was an open vasectomy using clips. I searched, and searched, and searched. I asked a couple of urologists even. The question: Can the suction from the BM (particularly because at higher pressures it can suck the vas deferens into the gaiter) cause problems with the vasectomy? Can it break down scar tissue and promote recanalization? No one could give me a straight answer.

Now I understand the BM is mostly a girth tool. At 5" girth, I am not humongous, and sure I'd like to have an extra 1" or even .5", but it wasn't a huge priority on my list. So I gave up on it and stored it away. I've been enjoying condom free sex (well, not for a couple of months since I broke up with the gf) and I just couldn't go back to steady condoms, they really really suck. So I can't risk the procedure getting botched, and therefore no longer have interest in the BM (unless there was some way to prevent the vas getting irritated by the device)

And I have been researching penis extension since Dec 2012. I, sadly, never pursued relationships with women thru most of my 20's partly because of my penis size. I felt I was tiny and I could never satisfy a girl with it.

In my 30's I decided not to care anymore, and just start pursuing relationships and sex, even if I was tiny. I was like that for a couple of years, trying to pretend that I didn't care about my size to my then gf. But I started searching the net, and found many guys (like you) absolutely assured that yes! you can grow your penis. Hence why I'm here.

I remember the hot water was to try and warm up the tissue, but the glans is way more sensitive that the rest of the penis, so I couldn't run it under very hot water for long. I basically gave up on that.

I bought a specialized pelvic heating pad, but it could only keep warm for about 2-3 mins, then would lose heat.

I then bought an electric pad, but it was huge and almost like a leg blanket. I was also afraid that constant heat would slowly cook my dick off without me even realizing it. So I also gave up on it.

As for that pic, had to read the thread again. One thing I noticed is that to be able to get a good pull, you absolutely have to pull directly from the glans! no choice. Trying to grab just 1" away from it does not work anyway I have tried it. The skin of the penis just slides forward and all you do is close your foreskin back again (I'm uncut, maybe that's the issue?)

Yes, I was looking for info on dorsal nerves. When you stretch your penis, I wanted to find out how safe it was to stretch and how hard one could go before causing damage. I was never able to find out. Apparently, generally speaking, nerves can be stretched up to 15% their natural elasticity before they start tearing.

Now the penis seems to have a gazillion microscopic blood vessels and nerves, alongside the larger main ones. What's the limit to be able to successfully stretch? It seem to me you only get one chance to find out, because if you fuck up, you fuck up permanently. It's not like injuring a muscle and it heals. It's more like, you injure it, and you live with that injury for the rest of your life.

Did I have low self esteem? Yes. Has it improved? Yes. Honestly what did me in at the time was the perception that every woman has had a 9" dick and that was the ideal standard for them. I no longer believe this, but women really do themselves a disservice IMO when they say things like "Yeah I've had a huge one but I didn't like it", or "Size doesn't matter, it's what you do with it", or "I've had lots of large ones but I like the average ones more". To guys like me who are sexually inexperienced that just completely destroys any hope that we can ever be the best lover. How do you compete with a girl's memory of the dude who had a 8"-9" thick cock? It's almost like her saying "Yours is fine" is extremely patronizing, like you're a little kid.

I mean, personally I would never say to a woman "yeah I've fondled huge breasts but I like your small ones better". If I had to be honest (which I have in fact said to women) then I would say something like "Well honestly breast size doesn't do much for me. Larger will be impressive for about 2 seconds, but once your panties are off I'm like "breasts? what are breasts?" and that is the God honest truth.

I've also learned that most women are extremely insecure. Even hot girls constantly think about their breast size, and how tight a guy they like will perceive them to be. I always thought that women didn't think about that, that it was always expected of the guy to perform. This above all is what I want guys (like I used to be) to FUCKING LEARN!! A girl may have had a guy with a huge 9" dick, but if she has small breasts, or something else that she's very insecure about, her mind is NOT thinking "wow I wish this guy was bigger like my last beau". Most likely she's terrified that you're going to be disappointed in her breast size, or something else she perceives to be a problem, like her eyes, nose, large labia, etc etc.

My very limited experience with women has taught me that.

And I use extremes like 3" vs 8" because, on the internet, it seems that 95" of men are 8" or more. I also believe that guys that are smaller than 5" usually don't have very active sex lives, therefore women tend to, mostly, sleep with larger guys (because those that the ones with the most confidence to seek out women for sexual relationships). So realistically, would a woman notice a difference between a 5" vs a 7" dick? Probably not. But it seems so many women claim that 9" is a common experience. being that the case, even if I were to magically gain 2", that would still put be at 7.5", and still off 1.5" the magical 9" that most women claim to have had.

So in the long run, is it worth it to me to go thru all the headache of devoting time to growing my penis and risking injuries that have a high potential to become permanent? For me in particular, no. Instead, I rather approach it from another angle. I am now actively trying to search for smaller women. While it's true that height alone won't determine vagina size, a combination of height and smaller features will achieve a higher probability that she also has a smaller vagina, that will feel a 5.5" penis as more than adequate. A girl like that, if in fact, bumped into a guy with a 9 incher, probably had a horrible time, and is relieved that yours is a good size to be enjoyable.

So that's pretty much where I am now. BTW I am still thinking of doing a SizeGenetics only routine. I tried the SG for a week, and while I felt it was safe enough to use, I absolutely did not enjoy having what feels like a vice grip clamped to my dick for 6-8hrs at a time. It's hard to walk, impossible to run, a pain in the ass to drive with, and huge headache every time you have to take a leak. I'd like to keep on using it, even if to achieve the magical 6" average # that studies claim is the high end of average. If you have any suggestions for me in regards to that, my ears are open.

**DennyA** · 11-23-2014

Wow, lotta info there...I guess I will respond to the part where you think that a women probably would not notice a difference between 5 and 7 inches...only when you get to 9 inches? That is just crazy man, you are way over thinking this.

I guess I get the impression that unless you can be huge none of this is worth it and that is your view. Trying to seek out smaller women only in lieu of having a bigger penis isn't a sure bet either.

**Star316** · 11-23-2014

Originally Posted by JamesLong

This is the best part of this entire thread. 8th reply and Andros is now gone.

He implies that the only reason that we are enlarging our penis is to be better in bed. Yes, this is a large reason for majority of the men on this site but there is still a good amount that are hear for plenty of other reasons. I read a thread EVERY DAY about men who are here to build their own confidence to feel better about themselves to have the confidence to actually go up to a woman and have a conversation opposed to being shy or fear of being embarrassed.

How many success stories are their on here about guys who have felt better about themselves and now have gone on to have confidence to do things that they would have never tried if they didn't conquer the fear they were having.

Or how about the guys who are here to last longer in bed? Who exercise their penis to be able to last longer then the 30 seconds that they can currently last. I see it all the time, " Hey, I don't want to gain size I just want to be able to last longer"

Or how about the guys that are here to fix the curve in their penis? Or the guys who want to know how to become a better lover now without even starting to gain length or girth? Or the guys who know they have a problem with Porn and need help and support and the system required to be able to step away.

What I'm getting at is this community is so much more then this mans pathetic rant about Length and Girth...

JL

You are quite right! I, myself, was very surprised that this forum offered way more than just what I came here for. Not just enlarging our manhood. It also helps us with our general health (physically and mentally), becoming a better lover and my personal favorite, rekindling my relationship with the one that I truly love.
Again, this site gives us way more than just penis exercises.

**not2big** · 11-23-2014

Hey Andros!

Thanks for coming back and explaining your situation and supporting your point of view. This is a community for discussing issues related to our dicks, even if they run counter to the majority of opinion. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I have gotten a lot of positive results from PE exercises; however, your cautionary thread is helpful in that safety and best practices need to be emphasized in order to prevent unintentional injuries.

**mannakonda** · 11-23-2014

If you think 95% have a 8-9 inch dicks, your really clueless Andro.
9 inch is rare even at pegym! There are around 30-40 guys on the top gainers thread that have gained 1.5"+ length. And approximately 90% start off between 5-7 inches bpel..
30/100 000 = 0,0003 %
I dont find 0,0003% very common