My thoughts after much study on the penis size issue.

[Andros]

This has the potential to be looooooong! so I will try to put my thoughts in point form for brevity.

After a few years of looking into the whole issue from a physical and a psychological perspective, these have been my conclusions. I hope this helps someone out there:

- It is possible to increase penis size, BUT the risk vs reward ratio is extremely negative. If you do everything right, you can expect to gain anywhere from 1" to 2" in length, and maybe 1" in size and if you're extremely lucky, you won't have any issues with your penis.

- Realistically? you have a high risk of damaging it. Mild damage might mean decreased sensitivity that is permanent. And there's a very real risk that you get permanent erectile dysfunction, even partial, which would suck ass.

- Women are completely clueless, and I can understand why now. Think about it from a guy's point of view. When you look at a woman? are you measuring her strictly by cup size? Like "that one's an A cup and that one's a D cup". Unless you've got some breast fetish, I'm almost positive breast size goes along more to enhance symmetry, and even if it's not there, you're not really thinking about it much.

Let's say you had a choice to have a girl that looks spot on like Natalie Portman, or another girl that looks spot on like Kim Kardashian as a gf (not just sex, but a full on gf that you could have a blast with, you enjoy each other's company, you laugh, you care for each other, etc etc). So you get to choose one of them (and pretend that they both have the exact personality that you like in a woman). Physically speaking, the Kardashian looking girl has fuller curves and much larger breasts.

But I betcha in your mind you didn't think 100% on her breast size. Your mind most likely calculated which one you find more attractive as a whole. Some of you will think the Natalie Portman looking girl is hotter, and some will think the Kardashian looking girl is hotter, and it was based on a complete assessment of their entire physical structure, and mostly to do with their faces.

So think about that if we reverse it. Let's say that a woman has a choice between a guy that looks dead on like Ryan Gosling, and another dude that looks more like Dwayne Johnson, AKA The Rock.

But the Ryan Gosling lookin' dude only has a 4" erect penis, and The Rock lookin' dude has an 8" erect penis.

Who do you think most women will choose as a bf? Unless the woman has a fetish for huge muscular dudes with large dicks, I would bet on over 70% (maybe 80%) will choose the Gosling lookalike, based completely on his handsome face, and fit (but not enormous) frame.

- Therefore, asking women to tell you if they prefer a large penis is almost a useless question, because they only think about it once the guy has met all the other qualifications that will get them aroused and interested.


So if you are chubby and bald for example, these are things that ruin your chances for a woman to think you're hot, 10 times more than if you only have an average or less than average penis. You're wasting your time trying to grown your dick if you don't already have abs and a full head of hair.

- As for what sizes women tend to bump into, I have no freakin' idea. Women have been completely incapable of giving us an accurate measure, even when they mean well. How many times have you heard a woman say she's had 8-9" dicks, and you ask her to measure it with her hands, and she shows like 6" tops with her fingers? Would they really notice if a guy had 6" as opposed to 5"? Would she notice 7" over 6"?

- I know that as a bodybuilder myself (and think about this for a moment) when you go to the gym and work out, likelihood is that there will always be huge guys there. But what happens when you leave? How many guys are huge and ripped at work? on the bus? walking downtown? You'd be pressed to find even one a day in your commute. I sometimes wonder if that's the case with women and the penises they bump into (like they see a range from 4" to 6" and completely freak out when they see an 8" because it's like the first one they've see that large in real life). Will I ever have the answer to this? Probably not.

- With that said, I would like women to have some honesty (and intelligence) when trying to explain their point of view. Saying "It's not the size it's the motion in the ocean" is almost a completely useless phrase. What I, personally would like to know is, what goes thru a woman's mind when she had a guy that was large (8" let's say) and then her next guy is only half that size. I've read accounts of women that couldn't understand why the new guy, who was only half the size of the previous guy, was giving her better orgasms. So that's one of the thought processes that I think would help guys out trying to understand.

- And then there's the issue about how much a woman can feel and how deep. I think websites that deal with it are doing a huge disservice to men when they try to paint a woman's physiology to be so complex, when I don't believe it is at all. We know that for most women, the clit is basically like our penis head, and the head of the clit is where 99% of the sensation is, same as us. Therefore, even if the clit extends deep into the body, I highly doubt that it's necessary to stimulate any of it to get a woman to orgasm. I think it's psychological. Women want to cum with their guy inside them, because that's "romantic". My experience has been that they get intense pleasure when you cum inside them just on the psychological high that "I made my man cum hard and I can feel it inside".

Think about how that's the same for us? We get a high when our woman cums because it's satisfying emotionally to know that we satisfied her physically. Women can correct me if I'm wrong.

So think about how when you masturbate, you will find that if you just rub your shaft (and completely ignore your head) you will take forever to cum, and it won't be a particularly good orgasm. So let's say you stroke only half your shaft vs stroking your whole shaft (still ignoring your head). I am willing to bet that this is what it feels like for a woman to have a 5" penis vs an 8" penis stroking inside her. It's only stroking "half" her shaft, but is it really making a difference? Does stroking only half your shaft vs your whole shaft enhance the experience by much? I know for me it makes a very small difference.

However, stroke only your head and ignore your shaft. What's the likelihood that you are going to cum in 1-2mins tops if you're really horny? Did you really miss that you didn't stroke your shaft at all? Probably not. I'm willing to bet that this is what a woman feels when you're licking her clit. your tongue is rubbing her "head" and if she's horny, will probably orgasm in a couple of mins also. So other than the visual turn on of a larger penis, does the penis inside even do much if the clit is not getting stimulated? If your dick is thicker it makes it easier for there to be a bit more friction on the clit head, but does that really replace a good tongue licking for the woman?

This is whyI am no longer going to worry about my size, as I no longer believe it's a significant factor in getting a woman to enjoy her experience with you, and I would recommend that anyone coming here with their self confidence destroyed by some dumb woman who called you small, or all the ridiculous internet porn, read all of the above and think about it. Getting abs will be 10 time sexier to a woman than growing your dick from 5" to 7", and the risk is like 100 time more than the risk to get abs would be.

[BigO]

Yep, I am still going to stretch my dick.

[Kent09]

risk of getting abs is probably higher than doing pe exercises lol. (ok not really, but heavy lifting at the gym is probably around the same)
also, with getting abs you have to change your entire life style which takes way more work than doing a few stretches and jelqs but yeh i see what you are saying.
i see you mentiond some loss of sensitivity coming from pe exercises? correct me if i am wrong but i have actually hard that a vast majority of long time pe'ers has lost some sensitivity, anyone know if this is possible to avoid?

[Andros]

Yep, I am still going to stretch my dick.

And that's fine.

How many guys are having success vs how many guys are tearing their shit out by accident because they don't know how to do it? Think about jelquing. You have to keep a constant semihard boner for long periods of time to have any success with it. How many newbies get soft and make zero gains? How many newbies get fully hard and crunch vital blood vessels, or even worse, nerves? and then the ED hits and they have to become dependent on drugs to get an erection?

Everyone should be allowed the freedom to take whatever risks they want, but those decisions should be well informed. In the world of PE, there is next to no information other than general programs that aren't explained well to people.

risk of getting abs is probably higher than doing pe exercises lol. (ok not really, but heavy lifting at the gym is probably around the same)
also, with getting abs you have to change your entire life style which takes way more work than doing a few stretches and jelqs but yeh i see what you are saying.
i see you mentiond some loss of sensitivity coming from pe exercises? correct me if i am wrong but i have actually hard that a vast majority of long time pe'ers has lost some sensitivity, anyone know if this is possible to avoid?

Hahahaha.

You know what it takes to get abs? Diet. Increase protein intake, work out normally for 45mins ever 3-4 days a week, and reduce calories so you feel hungry all the time. Repeat that every day for 3-6 months without faltering. You will get ripped. The journey will be hard, and you will crave junk food like you never have before, but it won't damage you permanently.

A wrong jelq can destroy your penis.

[not2big]

My erect dick has grown from 4.5" X 4.4" to 5.45" X 5.4". Does my wife get more pleasure out of it? She has yet to verbally comment on the increase, but she seems to moan and writhe about more. However, I know I certainly enjoy the tighter fit more and have a much greater interest in sex which translates into having sex more often - five plus times a week as compared to two or three times a week prior to having a bigger dick. By default, my wife is enjoying sex more often. Now when I return to bed with a nice big erection, she most always immediately rolls into to our favorite position. In the past it took a lot of foreplay before she got into position.

i know I certainly enjoy sex more now that I have a bigger dick and based on my wife's "body language," so is she. In addition, I really don't think at our stage in life my wife gives a rats ass how developed my abs are or could be.

So yah, I too will continue to stretch my dick. Oh, and did I mention my ED is not a severe as it was before I started PE?

[DennyA]

Everyone has to decide for himself the risk/benefit of PE. I have this shit down from a lot of experience as you probably have body building down from yours. With anything, it takes patience, knowledge, devotion and time...I am carrying on and pushing the boundaries.

[Jay1983]

Yup, I've been injured in the process, but at least I'm fine now and am packing a banana whopper.

[drfrankencock]

Do you just pop back in every few months to stir up some shit and then disappear? You've apparently not been active in a long time, and then you seem to be looking to get a rise out of people in two threads on the same day. Seems like odd behavior.

[Kent09]

And that's fine.

How many guys are having success vs how many guys are tearing their shit out by accident because they don't know how to do it? Think about jelquing. You have to keep a constant semihard boner for long periods of time to have any success with it. How many newbies get soft and make zero gains? How many newbies get fully hard and crunch vital blood vessels, or even worse, nerves? and then the ED hits and they have to become dependent on drugs to get an erection?

far more are having success from jelqing than not, "permanent damage" as you refer to happen very rarely as well.
you have to keep a constat semi-hard boner for long amounts of time? it takes 10-20mins to jelq bro, think about masturbation / sex, that is with a 100% hard and you can go for way longer than that, that must be super dangerous right?
if you get soft you just get it up again and keep going, you will get used to it.
if it gets too hard you wait a little for it to go to the desired level of erection.
ED rarely comes from pe, it's rather that they are so afraid that they think they damaged something and then they think it comes from pe and then they get psychological ED, would not be surprised if this has happened to a few and their erection are suffering from it.

Everyone should be allowed the freedom to take whatever risks they want, but those decisions should be well informed. In the world of PE, there is next to no information other than general programs that aren't explained well to people.

they are informed enough.
people know the consequences of doing it wrong.
it's like powerlifting, you know that lifting heavy can damage you, destroy your knee permanent, etc, still people are doing it.
do they need to be informed more? nah

Hahahaha.

You know what it takes to get abs? Diet. Increase protein intake, work out normally for 45mins ever 3-4 days a week, and reduce calories so you feel hungry all the time. Repeat that every day for 3-6 months without faltering. You will get ripped. The journey will be hard, and you will crave junk food like you never have before, but it won't damage you permanently.

A wrong jelq can destroy your penis.

abs are not permanent.
i also said it was a joke that getting abs is a risk like pe, but heavy weight lifting is.
everything in life is a risk.
the girls will not even see your abs under that shirt anyways.

[swavey]

Well girls can still tell a nice body so that point of his is valid. But everything else is not.. Girls do care about a satisfying sex life so once you have sex if she doesn't feel satisfied yes she will go looking for something else. Would you want bad sex for the rest of your life?

I have seen so many more success or atleast newbie gains then injuries. Actually i hear more people cautioning over injuries than anyone who has actually sustained one. Your points are speculation but evidence all points your wrong.