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    Hello everybody. Its been a long time since I joined this forum. Even though the first year I was doing PE just on and off I gained a little bit but then lost something. For the last 2 years Ive been really dedicated to PE. I was doing JP90 routine then KingPole advanced routine. Then I was doing my slightly modified version of Kingpole routine. Then, I discovered Big Alīs Jelq Free routine. It is an amazing routine. Ive been doing it for almost a year with a break in between. I gained from it, length and also girth. Currently, I finished my 3rd cycle and started my 4th.
    I dont know if I should stick with it or do something completely different? Because I recently lost 0,5 cm in girth and havent seen length gains in a while. Im very dissapointed and sad. Its because when I think about how much time I have dedicated to PE and how much focus and energy I have put into it and I see basically no gains, and if I do very little and then I lose it for no reason....if I would gain only 1 inch in length and 0,5 inch in girth I would be so damn HAPPY because I would at least know that all the effort I put in all this was worth it. But now I feel like Im doing lot of work and just for nothing.

    Please give me some feedback, you who have been following my progress journal and also those who have not. All those who have known me on this forum during all those years and also those who have not. Im talking to all of you PErs. Please share your experience and wisdom with me. What should I do in this stage of my PE journey? I feel like I need to do some changes but I dont know what changes...

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  • #2
    Half a cm isn't much my dude. Perhaps you were dehydrated, tired, EQ was lower that day...
    Don't sweat it.
    3/18/2015
    NBPEL: 8.125 EG: 5.5. BEG: 6.5

    Short-term Goal

    8.5"x 6"

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    • #3
      We seem to be in the same boat. Been doing this for a long time with very minimal results. As of the moment I'm blaming my lack of proper results with having poor erection quality most of the time. Recently learned of having sleep apnea which I assume was hurting my night time erections. I am considering not focusing so much on size gains as I need to switch focus to erection quality. From everything I've read if you have poor EQ its just not going to work out well for you. At least that is what I assume my problem is, maybe it applies to you.
      Stimulate don't annihilate!

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      • #4
        In am going to review your progress thread. If I Dont get back here soon please remind me. Are you working with Big Al as a coach?
        ALL THE WAY WITH GOOD OLE JAY!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by wishful10x8 View Post
          In am going to review your progress thread. If I Dont get back here soon please remind me. Are you working with Big Al as a coach?
          Thank you, I appreciate it. No, I havent worked with him as a coach yet. But despite that, he has given me a lot of good advice.
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          • #6
            How are your PI's, It could be an EQ issue. There is a possibility that you may be overworking it and that can certainly hinder gains. If so taking some time off may help. It is a good time to go back through your progress thread to see what worked and what didn't. After a break start back up with the routine that you were seeing gains with.
            To totally satisfy a woman sexually is not about having a large penis, it's about being a good lover.

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            • #7
              I agree^^^ for me over stretching is the excersizes most likely to send me into negative size PI. I sent you a message on your progress thread. Basically I think a break from stretches for a week to see if your EQ improves. If it does go back to the number of reps that was working and move up slower. Good luck, keep us informed.
              ALL THE WAY WITH GOOD OLE JAY!

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              • #8
                Start hanging.
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                • #9
                  Have you tried a decon break? I have heard alot of people say that when gains stall, they take a good 2 weeks or more off. Let things settle down and heal. Then start back up and get more gains. At the end of my first year I did just that. I started back up 3 weeks ago now, but have switched directions and started as mebs suggested hanging. Hope you don't mind me calling you that kickinthemebs. So if I make gains, I won't know if it was the break or the hanging that caused it, but to be honest I could give a rats ass what it is as long as I gain. I haven't seen anything on the ruler yet, but believe it or not I seem to be girthy and plumper since starting back up.

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                  • #10
                    I see too much routine jumping. You've jumped from one latest and greatest routine to the next until you don't see immediate results, then you move onto another thinking that will be the magic one. Dude, it's not your lack of motivation or effort killing your gains it's your twisted thinking. I want you stick with this routine for at least a year before moving on. You can change sets and reps, maybe add time to your squeezes, but don't drastically change anything.

                    Now I've taken a look at your routine and it's no wonder that you're losing both length and girth. You're doing a lot of reps with very little time under tension, and kegels and edging at the wrong time without any real progression. If you're looking for girth and length gains through manual work, and without jelqing, you'll really want to take advantage of longer squeezes and stretches. For squeezes try at least 2 sets of 30 seconds at the base, then move up half and inch and do 2 more sets, then again another half inch, and so on and so forth until you're squeezing just the head. The next time you PE add 10 seconds to every squeeze. Shoot for 3-5 sets of 2min holds. If you're not fatigued already then slap on a clamp for 10 minutes and edge the entire time. Of course pumping or jelqing would also be a great substitute for a finisher.

                    For length your best manual exercise is stretches, you can do multi-directions but really pulling in one direction is all you need. Do stretches for at least 30 seconds as hard as you can stand it but change grips and where you grab up or down the shaft to prevent localized bruising in one area. Work up to 10 two-minute sets with 3-5min of rest in between. Manual length exercises take a little longer to recover from than girth exercises because of the stress on your hands, but you can always use a homemade hanger of grip underneath a clamp for added support.

                    Now as to how often you should be doing this routine. I would strongly suggest no more than 2x a week with at least 3 resting days in between. If you think you can do more you can add intensity to every session but you measure that with how well you recover. You should never force yourself to PE when your penis isn't fully recovered yet. On off days however, you can do a very light routine of super light wet jelqs and stretches to help break up blood clots and improve blood flow and recovery. Stick to reps under 30 and do stretched light enough to feel it without much tension of pain, and don't forget to kegel or masturbate. You'll see recovery sky rocket if you can get used to doing a super light routine like this with masturbation and edging to increase blood flow.

                    Other than that, if you're going to kegel you should be kegelling like a pro and not a newbie. Start practicing erect kegels and then add weight. Practice with tissues then progress up to handkerchiefs, (dry then wet), wash cloths (dry then wet), hand towels, and finally move up to full bath towels or maybe work with fishing weights until you can lift a 5lb plate. This is not impossible, it's just really hard and requires a lot of patience and training.
                    Sex is the great leveler, taste the great divider. - Pauline Kael

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                    • #11
                      I have been called worse on the forum

                      Originally posted by lilbigman View Post
                      I started back up 3 weeks ago now, but have switched directions and started as mebs suggested hanging. Hope you don't mind me calling you that kickinthemebs.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by TheGreatDivider View Post
                        I see too much routine jumping. You've jumped from one latest and greatest routine to the next until you don't see immediate results, then you move onto another thinking that will be the magic one. Dude, it's not your lack of motivation or effort killing your gains it's your twisted thinking. I want you stick with this routine for at least a year before moving on. You can change sets and reps, maybe add time to your squeezes, but don't drastically change anything.

                        Now I've taken a look at your routine and it's no wonder that you're losing both length and girth. You're doing a lot of reps with very little time under tension, and kegels and edging at the wrong time without any real progression. If you're looking for girth and length gains through manual work, and without jelqing, you'll really want to take advantage of longer squeezes and stretches. For squeezes try at least 2 sets of 30 seconds at the base, then move up half and inch and do 2 more sets, then again another half inch, and so on and so forth until you're squeezing just the head. The next time you PE add 10 seconds to every squeeze. Shoot for 3-5 sets of 2min holds. If you're not fatigued already then slap on a clamp for 10 minutes and edge the entire time. Of course pumping or jelqing would also be a great substitute for a finisher.

                        For length your best manual exercise is stretches, you can do multi-directions but really pulling in one direction is all you need. Do stretches for at least 30 seconds as hard as you can stand it but change grips and where you grab up or down the shaft to prevent localized bruising in one area. Work up to 10 two-minute sets with 3-5min of rest in between. Manual length exercises take a little longer to recover from than girth exercises because of the stress on your hands, but you can always use a homemade hanger of grip underneath a clamp for added support.

                        Now as to how often you should be doing this routine. I would strongly suggest no more than 2x a week with at least 3 resting days in between. If you think you can do more you can add intensity to every session but you measure that with how well you recover. You should never force yourself to PE when your penis isn't fully recovered yet. On off days however, you can do a very light routine of super light wet jelqs and stretches to help break up blood clots and improve blood flow and recovery. Stick to reps under 30 and do stretched light enough to feel it without much tension of pain, and don't forget to kegel or masturbate. You'll see recovery sky rocket if you can get used to doing a super light routine like this with masturbation and edging to increase blood flow.

                        Other than that, if you're going to kegel you should be kegelling like a pro and not a newbie. Start practicing erect kegels and then add weight. Practice with tissues then progress up to handkerchiefs, (dry then wet), wash cloths (dry then wet), hand towels, and finally move up to full bath towels or maybe work with fishing weights until you can lift a 5lb plate. This is not impossible, it's just really hard and requires a lot of patience and training.
                        Thanks a lot! I read your comment just now. Thats some great advice!
                        But I dont understand some things. You say I should stick with the routine I do now (Big Als jelq free routine) at least for a year. But then you said I should do only about 5 reps of squeezes each one 30 seconds, do stretches in long duration 10x2 minutes. But that is different than the routine Im following now.
                        So do you think I should do the one you suggested or still keep doing The Jelq Free routine?

                        By the way, Ive seen really great results from the squeezes Ive been doing recently. My penis felt really thicker than before, until I measured today and it seems I didnt gain any girth. But I dont understand because it looked thicker. Also I measured length and it seems I gained few milimetres, but I have to remeasure again to make it more exact. With all that being said, what do you think I should do now to gain the most?
                        My final goals are: BPEL + 2 inches and Erect Girth + 1-1,5 inches , but if I would gain only 0,5 of solid inch in erect girth it would give me great boost of enthusiasm that Im on the right path.
                        So what should I do? Can I focus on both girth and length simultaneously?
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                        • #13
                          Sorry for the late reply, I read your response but didn't get back to you. I also couldn't post from work.

                          Originally posted by The Next Big Thing View Post
                          Thanks a lot! I read your comment just now. Thats some great advice! But I dont understand some things. You say I should stick with the routine I do now (Big Als jelq free routine) at least for a year. But then you said I should do only about 5 reps of squeezes each one 30 seconds, do stretches in long duration 10x2 minutes. But that is different than the routine Im following now.
                          So do you think I should do the one you suggested or still keep doing The Jelq Free routine?
                          I think you misunderstood the big point I as well as others were telling you. Find at least one routine you like and stick with it for at least a year before altering it or trying similar things. The routine examples I gave you were merely a means of simplifying a few basic moves working with fewer reps for less time with greater pressure.

                          Originally posted by The Next Big Thing View Post
                          By the way, Ive seen really great results from the squeezes Ive been doing recently. My penis felt really thicker than before, until I measured today and it seems I didnt gain any girth. But I dont understand because it looked thicker. Also I measured length and it seems I gained few milimetres, but I have to remeasure again to make it more exact. With all that being said, what do you think I should do now to gain the most?
                          My final goals are: BPEL + 2 inches and Erect Girth + 1-1,5 inches , but if I would gain only 0,5 of solid inch in erect girth it would give me great boost of enthusiasm that Im on the right path.
                          So what should I do? Can I focus on both girth and length simultaneously?
                          If you like squeezes keep doing them but find a way to make them progressively harder each time.

                          It could be possible you're measuring too often or expecting instant results. If there's anything you should be doing to gain more it's measuring less and worrying less over size. Size will come eventually, but before you see results you have to put in a lot of work and make rest an equal priority.

                          Focusing on both girth and length gains is a waste of time. You'll see some results from working both but your body only has a minimal amount of recovery ability for either goal. My advice would be to spend a full year working on girth, since it is harder to gain and you will gain some length in the process, and then switch over to length after a full year of girth. This is how I've been able to gain phenomenal amounts of length and girth in the last 5 or so years.
                          Sex is the great leveler, taste the great divider. - Pauline Kael

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by The Next Big Thing View Post
                            if I would gain only 1 inch in length and 0,5 inch in girth I would be so damn HAPPY because I would at least know that all the effort I put in all this was worth it. But now I feel like Im doing lot of work and just for nothing.
                            As this hasn't been mentioned yet, there is a known psychological mechanism (the name of which escapes me at the moment) where you can become compelled to continue an activity that isn't very rewarding simply because you've already invested so much time and effort into it. There is an attachment to the activity that doesn't stem from what it gives you now, but from what you sunk into it earlier.

                            For example, most if not all MMOs are tailored to trigger this mechanism. It's why most stock traders have a pre-determined sell-off point. (If a stock goes below a certain value, you just sell it and take the loss, avoiding the temptation to protect the investment by keeping it, or maybe even buy more (if you keep it, it's because you think it may go up in value, right?)

                            I'm not saying you should flat out quit or anything, but if you're feeling disappointed and sad, maybe it's time to take a step back and reassess the situation. Fresh eyes. New goals. Make it worthwhile again.

                            I've been in the same boat as you, and when I reassessed I more or less came to the conclusion that stamina work was much more interesting to me. Making it bigger would be nice, but it doesn't feel as compelling anymore. Somewhat ironically, that led me to Big Al's jelq free. Three days a week isn't too intrusive, and the real meat of the workout is stamina work. If gains come that's good, but I can still make very valuable progress even if they don't. Perfect match for me.
                            -- If it ain't rock hard, then it ain't worth doing

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                            • #15
                              You may have to stop for a few (3 months) months to reset your body.

                              Approach your training with a new attitude. Stay hydrated, eat healthy, and take a multivitamin. No masturbation, no porn, sex only on the weekend (off days). Start off with a 100 count routine M-F. 50 in the morning and 50 at night. The human body is awesome. It adapts very quickly so starting off too high gives you no where to go. Start LOW and add on 25 more jelqs to your daily morning/night routine each week. After a month add in a 10 min stretch routine with your Jelq routine.

                              *I warm up with 50 light jelqs before I begin. Make sure each Jelq is around 2 or 3 seconds and you're around 60% or so erect half way in.*

                              I was in your situation. I took off about year. After restarting with my new approach described above. I gained 3/4 inch in length and 1 inch in girth in 2 1/2 months. I'm now a true 7inch NBPEL and 5 1/2 EG.

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