Hello new here and have lots of questions. :)

**Eddy1800** · 03-13-2016

Well this is my first post so obviously i have a bunch of questions to ask and sure a lot of people here know how to answer them so thats why i signed up lol, but ok i bought the bathmate about 5months ago and been using it everyday but havnt gotten much gains? maybe a little bit of girth (.5) and (.1) length maybe? but is that normal for 4 months consecutive use? so yea i want size gains but wondering why im not gaining!! lol.., and i also bought vigrx+ and have been taking that for a month but it says to wait 3 months to see the full effects so idk if im just expecting gains to early or my type of penis just takes longer for gains?, i use the bathmate about 15 minutes a day sometimes twice (15min per session) with the vigrx and i dont do jelqing so idk if thats the problem but like i said i take vigrx so that should be increasing a lot of blood flow down there, so if any professionals can help me about why im gaining so slow id really appreciate it a lot cuz im really wanting a bigger penis even if i have to wait 2-3 years.... ugh lol but yes please answer thank you everyone!!!! and glad to be on this forum and will be donating to keep this running the time im here

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(btw. if i cant hold and get a normal erection should i not use the bathmate and rest and jelq instead or just completely rest until i get a rock hard erection again and use the bathmate and not have to jelq at all? thanks!)
(what does "PI" mean? lol)

(Edit): When you get a full erection and push up on your internal penis (extra .5 length / .5 girth...maybe more) how do i get all that to come out?? that would make my penis above average and i would be soooo happy with just that thanks.

**bloodthorne262** · 03-13-2016

Well I'll tell you from experience starting out doing pe with devices is like building a house by starting with the roof first. Devices are used to help with plateaus and to help with manual exercises. I would start with jelqing for a few months to build a solid foundation and work from there. I find most people who start with devices tend to be more lazy when it comes to pe and don't want to put in the real work... not that I'm saying you dont. I would suggest you start with jelqing and put in the work to see real results.

**Eddy1800** · 03-13-2016

Oh ok so jelqing gives more gains than the bathmate?, should i use the bathmate 20 minutes in the morning and then later in the day do 1000 jelqs and stetches or something like that?

**TheZZMan** · 03-13-2016

Click on the start button located in the header at the top of the page and read, read, read. Pick a conditioning program Like the JP90 and commit to the full 900 days of the program. You need to attack this from a multi point perspective, but first, condition yourself so that you will have more success with your device. You need to stretch ligaments, stretch skin and other structures to loosen them up for growth to happen. Good luck, the exercises will not set you back any additional moola as then are freely described in the attached links.

**dmizzle** · 03-13-2016

Are you using Vigrix pills? Pills don't work, you are wasting your money. Start the JP90 routine and learn jelqing and stretching. Or keep making these Pill companies rich. Seriously, Pill DO NOT WORK.