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  1. 03-16-2016 #11
    closed260
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    So BigAl would probably do better to give advice, but I'll try to summarize what I've read. Start with lower intensity(strength of squeeze/pull), volume(#reps), and frequency(#workouts-per-week). Do that for four weeks. If you're getting gains... just keep doing that! If not, then increase in one area, and give it another four weeks.

    In BigAl's beginner routine, he suggests increasing both volume and frequency over a six week cycle. The idea being to be starting below your exhaustion level (i.e. level where EQ dips, soreness, or negative PI's show up). Ramp up volume steadily (i.e. 10% per week or 1-3% per workout) over the six weeks. And then in week 5 and 6, double the frequency by working out twice a day. Last, take a week or two off before restarting the next cycle with a week1 volume at last cycle's week3. Always stop if negative PI's show up.

    JP90 also has a guideline for how to increase volume and frequency. I would suggest you start off gentle and only increase a little bit. Many guys who injure themselves basically say the same thing: "I gave in to desperation and jumped into intensity/volume way beyond where I was conditioned."
    Last edited by closed260; 03-16-2016 at 08:20 PM.
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  2. 03-17-2016 #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelTarzan89 View Post
    Alright man, I'll follow your advice and take the time off without kegel work. When I start up again I'll be doing JP's 90 days beginner routine. It seems to be popular among new members here. Then I'm going to bounce back and forth between a girth focus and length focus, staying on the focused routine until I make a quarter inch gain. I've got a lot of reading ahead of me here. I've got two questions that I'm having trouble finding answers to.

    #1 What is a good standard work out frequency? I was doing 2 on 1 off, 2 on 2 off
    If I'm getting good PI's can I up the work out frequency rather than increase intensity to make gains. Say if I was using the above frequency, could I increase to 2 on 1 off, 3 on 2 off?

    #2 OR! should I follow the rule of ten and increase intensity by adding 10% to total work out volume?

    I realize that everybody is different and that I should be using PI's and EQ as my main indicators for progression but I'm just curious if which plan of attack works best for progression. Increase in frequency or work out volume?
    For workout frequency, I would say 2 on, 1 off. You CAN increase it, but you may end up overtraining if you do that. I would stick with what is prescribed by JP90 for at least the first month or so, before you start trying to increase intensity. Regarding which plan iof attack works best, I would say a combination of the two methods, when implemented cautiously and effectively, would work best.
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    Start (Dec 2014)
    bpel: 7.0"

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    bpel: 7.4375"
    bpfsl: 8.00"

    Mar 27 2016:
    bpfsl: 8 and 3/8"
    bpel: 7 and 11/16"

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  3. 03-26-2016 #13
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    Thanks guys, I really appreciate the help! I will pay it forward!
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  4. 03-26-2016 #14
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    Logic tells that if you keep doing the same thing over and over and don't see results, then you must be doing something wrong. Your routine seems fairly standard so nothing unusual there. What you may need is a change in the frequency of workouts. 2 on 1 off, 2 on 2 off may be giving you too much rest in between sessions to effectively fatigue and stretch tissue and ligaments. I would suggest move to a 5 on 1 or 2 off to see if the more intense work causes you to see some gains. To not at least see some newbie gains would be frustrating.

    Can you provide more detail on this jelqing device you are using? Perhaps a link and a picture of it in your album.
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    My us and did the JP90 for 18 months until he exhausted the BPEL gains that way. He 5 on, two off and it worked well for him. He always took a one to two weeks off after every 90 day routine. Take your rest time and come back for more!
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  6. 03-30-2016 #16
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    Thanks again to all! It's awesome to receive such great feedback!
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  7. 04-01-2016 #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by feelsgood View Post
    So BigAl would probably do better to give advice, but I'll try to summarize what I've read. Start with lower intensity(strength of squeeze/pull), volume(#reps), and frequency(#workouts-per-week). Do that for four weeks. If you're getting gains... just keep doing that! If not, then increase in one area, and give it another four weeks.

    In BigAl's beginner routine, he suggests increasing both volume and frequency over a six week cycle. The idea being to be starting below your exhaustion level (i.e. level where EQ dips, soreness, or negative PI's show up). Ramp up volume steadily (i.e. 10% per week or 1-3% per workout) over the six weeks. And then in week 5 and 6, double the frequency by working out twice a day. Last, take a week or two off before restarting the next cycle with a week1 volume at last cycle's week3. Always stop if negative PI's show up.

    JP90 also has a guideline for how to increase volume and frequency. I would suggest you start off gentle and only increase a little bit. Many guys who injure themselves basically say the same thing: "I gave in to desperation and jumped into intensity/volume way beyond where I was conditioned."
    Twice a day? Is that little too much?
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    Started at 10/27/13
    BPFL: 4.5 BPEL: 7.0 BPSFL: 7.0
    MFG: 3.5 MEG: 4.17 BEG: 4.5ish

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