Another non gainer, will some kind soul please help?!

[SteelTarzan89]

Hey guys, I'm a passionate and driven dude with my heart set on self improvement. I've made the "decision" to put myself in a perpetual state of discomfort. I'm totally psyched to start making some gains. I'm open to receive feed back and take on a different perspective if need be.


I'm hoping that by joining this forum someone will help me understand all the ins and outs to PE. Of course, after I expand on my understanding I will pay it forward.


I've been doing PE for over a year now with minimal gains... But I'm stubborn and refuse to give up! I think I might fall under the category of the overzealous beginners. I've read most of the penis exercise book and so I can fully appreciate the "lifting weights in the dark" analogy that the author explains.


I'm sure that I'm one of many men who are frustrated with the fact that their not making gains at all while other's are reporting steady progress. Will some PE guru please help a brother out?

This is my current routine:

Warm up:
Rice Sock 10 minutes
Stretch:
Basic stretch in each direction (North, South, East, West) 40seconds on 15 second rest, time 8 sets, so I do each direction twice at 40 seconds
I stretch under my leg for the east to west stretches

Jelq:
40 hand over hand 1 second jelqs straight down @ 40%
80 Power Jelqs with the jelq device @ 80-90%, I kegel and trap the blood before starting each rep, I do these in sets of ten with a 10-20 second period of masturbation to return to 80-90%

After my the power Jelqs I'll do some edging work to about 9.8 on the arousal scale then stop and do a reverse kegel followed by a regular kegel with a 3-5 second hold, then into 5-10 kegels. I don't really track this part of my program (I realize I sound retarded right meow haha) because it just feels great but I'm pretty sure I'm not over doing it as I can still get steel hard on after I stop the session. I read that erect kegels after PE help with recovery.

Throughout a training day I do about 20-80 JAI stretches. I have sex with my girlfriend throughout the week but I always try and give myself at least 5 hours after a session before having sex. My training frequency is 2 days on and 1 day off, 2 days on and 2 days off.

I track my body clues and as far as I know there good clues. My goal right now is to make girth gains and I've had some short term girth gains when I incorporated slow squash jelqs into my program. What I've noticed is I get a much more swollen 70-80% erection when I was doing the slow squash jelqs. I've measure on a training day before and noticed an 1/8th of an inch gain in mid shaft girth. This was really exciting but I when I measured on a non training day recently that 1/8th of an inch was gone. (FML haha) I take L-Argenine and Pycnogenol to help boost my sessions. I also use essential vein oil when jelqing.

Before my current routine I use to use the bath mate with my sessions and now I'm not using it at all because I think it's just too hard to increase gradually with the bath mate. (just my amateur opinion) I've read about the rule of ten in an article before and my plan was to increase by ten powerjelqs after I made some results BUT!!! I haven't made any results in a long time. Can someone please help me?

Current:
BPEL: 7.5"
NBPEL:6.75"
Mid EG:5"
Base EG: 5.5"

Goal: 8x6"

[closed260]

Have you taken any rest/deconditioning breaks (as in one to two weeks)?

What was your Squash jelq routine? How long did you do that routine?

[GettinBig1]

Just my thoughts: But I would focus less on jelqs and kegels and more on stretching and girth work. At least in my humble opinion, I have found that jelqs and kegels are good for improving EQ, but don't really contribute to gains as much once EQ is maximized (more or less).

[SteelTarzan89]

I have not done a full one or two week break in a long time. I used to get the red spots on the head, in the first 4-6months of PE but now I don't get any. Are the red spots a good body clue? Perhaps a way of tracking when it's time to take to decondition.

My squash jelq routine was similar to the one i'm doing now as far as stretch and warm up goes. I did 50 power jelqs with the jelq device then I did 20 squash jelqs. Each squash jelq i would do until my cock was completely squashed (maximal expansion). I'm not too sure how long I should be doing each squash jelq rep for or if I should be holding the rep at the max expansion phase for any particular amount of time? I didn't try to push the envelope with the squash jelqs because I feared over training. Thanks for replying, I would really appreciate some feed back. :^D

[SteelTarzan89]

Just my thoughts: But I would focus less on jelqs and kegels and more on stretching and girth work. At least in my humble opinion, I have found that jelqs and kegels are good for improving EQ, but don't really contribute to gains as much once EQ is maximized (more or less).

Omg I'm so glad I subscribed to this website! I think you're absolutely right! I always did plant of jelq work with minimal direct girth work because I thought the jelqs were doing the same thing. I definitely have the EQ quality and I've made most of my gains in length. Man! just a little bit of feed back goes such a long way! Thanks dude!

[closed260]

Try a one week rest break every 4-6 weeks of PE.

Have you seen the Start Here page? It's linked at the top of the page towards the left. Lot of useful threads. Perhaps you could take a week or two off then try a beginner routine for a few weeks to recondition before trying a routine with more girth exercises. One idea is to stick to a routine for four weeks. If you don't see positive PI's or gains in a month, change something in your routine. Consider starting a progress thread. Its really helpful to keep track of what you have tried and what worked.

[SteelTarzan89]

Try a one week rest break every 4-6 weeks of PE.

Have you seen the Start Here page? It's linked at the top of the page towards the left. Lot of useful threads. Perhaps you could take a week or two off then try a beginner routine for a few weeks to recondition before trying a routine with more girth exercises. One idea is to stick to a routine for four weeks. If you don't see positive PI's or gains in a month, change something in your routine. Consider starting a progress thread. Its really helpful to keep track of what you have tried and what worked.

I'll check out the link right now, thanks man! I think you're right, I'm sure I'm long overdue for a rest week. I think I'll take two weeks off just for good measure. Can I still do kegel work during a rest week??

[closed260]

You could, but I like the idea that rest week means no-exercises so that your brain gets a rest from focusing on PE as well.

[dmizzle]

Really good advice from feelgood. I would say the same.

[SteelTarzan89]

You could, but I like the idea that rest week means no-exercises so that your brain gets a rest from focusing on PE as well.

Alright man, I'll follow your advice and take the time off without kegel work. When I start up again I'll be doing JP's 90 days beginner routine. It seems to be popular among new members here. Then I'm going to bounce back and forth between a girth focus and length focus, staying on the focused routine until I make a quarter inch gain. I've got a lot of reading ahead of me here. I've got two questions that I'm having trouble finding answers to.

#1 What is a good standard work out frequency? I was doing 2 on 1 off, 2 on 2 off
If I'm getting good PI's can I up the work out frequency rather than increase intensity to make gains. Say if I was using the above frequency, could I increase to 2 on 1 off, 3 on 2 off?

#2 OR! should I follow the rule of ten and increase intensity by adding 10% to total work out volume?

I realize that everybody is different and that I should be using PI's and EQ as my main indicators for progression but I'm just curious if which plan of attack works best for progression. Increase in frequency or work out volume?