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  1. 03-19-2010 #1
    pe_ZEN
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    It just occurred to me!! How to re-train the kegel reflex which results in premature ejaculation!

    It is so simple, so utterly simple and perfect (see Occam's Razor). A mix of Pavlovian reflex training - with THE SECRET INGREDIENT!!!!! What is the secret ingredient??? ready???

    The Reverse Kegel

    -=-How to apply it to control arousal-=-

    1) learn how to Reverse Kegel see: https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...aving-sex.html (feels like pushing out a fart)

    2) Learn your PONR, being aware of the point exactly when your kegel flexes prior to ejaculation (see https://www.pegym.com/forums/pe-theo...ing-101-a.html)

    3) At the exact moment before you know your kegel will flex: REVERSE KEGEL! PUSH OUT! This is a COMPETING RESPONSE!


    -=-Why this will work: You are re-training your Reflexive conditioning, from being one where (1) your kegel flexes at the first sign of pleasure to (2) now your kegel muscles are trained to stay relaxed via the reverse kegel, offsetting ejaculation. BRILLIANT! (this must be repeated many times to effectively re-condition your nervous system)

    I'm 100% positive that this will work, (With practice) and I am implimenting it with success in my own PE efforts. The COMPETING RESPONSE mechanism is very common in training new behaviors and association with new stimuli to replace old ones. It is a widely used tactic in my field (psychology).

    Everybody out there! How exciting to actually have Hope of a REAL CURE!
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  2. 03-19-2010 #2
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    Great post zen! I will definitely use this with my edging routine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pe_ZEN View Post
    It just occurred to me!! How to re-train the kegel reflex which results in premature ejaculation!

    It is so simple, so utterly simple and perfect (see Occam's Razor). A mix of Pavlovian reflex training - with THE SECRET INGREDIENT!!!!! What is the secret ingredient??? ready???

    The Reverse Kegel

    -=-How to apply it to control arousal-=-

    1) learn how to Reverse Kegel see: https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...aving-sex.html (feels like pushing out a fart)

    2) Learn your PONR, being aware of the point exactly when your kegel flexes prior to ejaculation (see https://www.pegym.com/forums/pe-theo...ing-101-a.html)

    3) At the exact moment before you know your kegel will flex: REVERSE KEGEL! PUSH OUT! This is a COMPETING RESPONSE!


    -=-Why this will work: You are re-training your Reflexive conditioning, from being one where (1) your kegel flexes at the first sign of pleasure to (2) now your kegel muscles are trained to stay relaxed via the reverse kegel, offsetting ejaculation. BRILLIANT! (this must be repeated many times to effectively re-condition your nervous system)

    I'm 100% positive that this will work, (With practice) and I am implimenting it with success in my own PE efforts. The COMPETING RESPONSE mechanism is very common in training new behaviors and association with new stimuli to replace old ones. It is a widely used tactic in my field (psychology).

    Everybody out there! How exciting to actually have Hope of a REAL CURE!


    My problem is the PONR happens within 30 secs of penetration then im stuck not being able to thrust anymore because of the overwhelming "tickle"sensation of about to cum it never subsides its like trying to get rid of a full bladder without urinating.....any suggestions for that because reverse Kegals don't work in my situation
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  4. 03-19-2010 #4
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    YES! That tickle sensation is EXACERBATED (made worse) by kegeling. You may not think you are kegeling, but deep in your PC muscle it IS KEGELING! And it will feel tight when that tickling sensation occurs, that is when you really need reverse kegels, which will allow more blood to flow to the 'tight PC area' and thus relax it a bit. And I was in the very same position you were in, but it takes lots and lots of masturbation practice before it can be applied to intercourse.

    Additional note: During intercourse try reverse kegeling on the thrust in, and to stay relaxed on the outward thrust as well. I noticed that I kegeled a lot during the inward thrust...
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  5. 03-19-2010 #5
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    YES!! Zen, you hiy the nail on the coffin. The reverse kegel is something I incorporate when edging. Helps subside the PONR. Great post!
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    Great post, Zen!

    Not sure if you know, but kingpole and I worked on an updated EDGING article that can be viewed here:
    Edging - penis exercise For Size and Hardness

    We also did a ballooning one:
    Ballooning - Penis Exercise For Size and Hardness

    Hope it helps,
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    The only problem is i have no clue if im doing the reverse kegals correctly or not.. I know what it feels like when i kegal, i can feel the muscle moving, but i dont know exactly what the reverse kegal should feel like..
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  8. 03-19-2010 #8
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    nice!

    Yup, only problem is that how do you do a reverse kegal?
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    Ok pe zen this seems to pull together a lot of clues. One question though, are you geting dry orgasm?
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    Thsi week I've been involuntarily doing them like I just found out about reverse kegels. They do work. They work better then kegeling to stop ejaculation if you aren't good at kegeling. Your penis will expand a lot and the sensation will subside. I only feel a dry orgasm when kegeling but not with a reverse one.
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