What am I doing wrong guys? Srs thread!

[ZeNigmar]

During research I found that GABBA cannot work since it cannot pass the blood-brain-barier. Did you do research on that?

I'll quote my own PM here:
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I eat Brokkoli, Apples and Oranges for their Vitamin C and GABA poroperties. However i did read that these foods dont contain GABA itself but glutamate which forms glutamine as a precursor to GABA. As a sequel, maybe L-Glutamine could help increase GABA-levels. If you take GABA supplements isolated, i think most of them can't cross the brain-blood-barrier, this is why L-Glutamine maybe could help.

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You are right on what you say, thats why you have to watch the process GABA is synthesized from to work around this. Same goes for L-Arginin. If you supplement L-Citrulline, L-Arginin-levels will be higher than with L-Arginin itself.

It is very complex and i see where you are going, sometimes i loose overview too, thats why i said i need time to write an article.

[nofun]

I'll quote my own PM here:
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I eat Brokkoli, Apples and Oranges for their Vitamin C and GABA poroperties. However i did read that these foods dont contain GABA itself but glutamate which forms glutamine as a precursor to GABA. As a sequel, maybe L-Glutamine could help increase GABA-levels. If you take GABA supplements isolated, i think most of them can't cross the brain-blood-barrier, this is why L-Glutamine maybe could help.

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You are right on what you say, thats why you have to watch the process GABA is synthesized from to work around this. Same goes for L-Arginin. If you supplement L-Citrulline, L-Arginin-levels will be higher than with L-Arginin itself.

It is very complex and i see where you are going, sometimes i loose overview too, thats why i said i need time to write an article.

Great, tanks for your reply! I just ordered some supps to include into my diet. I will definitely add oranges and brokkoli too, since I am eating apples every morning. I did not order a GABBA supp, think the way you are approaching is better.

If you find the time, I would highly appreciate if you look into my progress thread. I am always writing a lot which keeps many ppl away from answering my questions but some exchange could help my I guess.

[Tooners88]

I have little doubt that altering neurochemistry is the fastest and most effective way to reliably treat PE in the majority of cases (for example, 1 dapoxetine pill, some DXM or a sufficient quantity of alcohol instantly cures me), but keep in mind that it's an incredibly complex area and isn't as simple as just taking substance X to increase neurotransmitter Y. You can do this acutely in the short term, but usually when you try to elevate certain neuros over the longer term you'll run into issues with tolerance and receptor downregulation. It's the same way that as you drink coffee for longer periods you become less sensitive to it... and then you have to drink more coffee to get the same effect... and then you become dependent on it and if you stop using it you end up having withdrawal symptoms. Many substances that increase serotonin, GABA etc. will do the same thing, even if they're "natural" supplements.

I'm personally experimenting with various things myself and am not an expert on it, but you have to do your research first and test things out carefully before just haphazardly consuming a bunch of different supplements at once since it's much more complicated than it seems on the surface if we're talking about long term use.

[ZeNigmar]

I just want to add to this that i personally aim to hit a genetic deficiency in my body, if there is one, that causes premature ejaculation as a symptom. Being a very active athlete Magnesiumcitrate and Zinkgluconate is hard to overshoot in general.
To find such deficiencies, supplements are the most isolated ways to do so.

I agree that you shouldn't expect supplement x to ínstantly improve your situation nofun. Everybody is different and the causes for premature ejaculation are so variable that it is probably a mix of all in most cases. I am pretty sure though, that your cognitive behavioral training (edging and PV-exercises) will benefit from being supported from the right ingredients going into your body. If you have the time and the money you can get tested on many of these Minerals/Vitamins. People especially tend to have deficiencies in Zink and Vitamin D from sunlight.

If you can you should cycle your supplements, that means you also take a week of after a certain time so your organs can clean themselves up and don't get harmed in anyway. Additionally you can see if it gets worse again because of the pausing. Furthermore it retards, sometimes resets downregulation in your body

The usual time for most of these are 2-4 weeks until you see an effect on your body and eight weeks until downregulation dimnishes these effects.


To give you a start, you should look for typical symptoms that hint something is not right. Doctors typically evaluate things like your sleep pattern, your sense of well being, your blood pressure, ... . If you find out you have an (extreme) symptom that you didn't give attention to all the way, this might be the start for you to eliminate that symptom

[nofun]

I just want to add to this that i personally aim to hit a genetic deficiency in my body, if there is one, that causes premature ejaculation as a symptom. Being a very active athlete Magnesiumcitrate and Zinkgluconate is hard to overshoot in general.
To find such deficiencies, supplements are the most isolated ways to do so.

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To give you a start, you should look for typical symptoms that hint something is not right. Doctors typically evaluate things like your sleep pattern, your sense of well being, your blood pressure, ... . If you find out you have an (extreme) symptom that you didn't give attention to all the way, this might be the start for you to eliminate that symptom

I think it is a good way to also look at the genetic side of it. Most voices in this area ignore that fact and state that it is quite rare to be effected by that but I kinda think that many things have to work together to give you PreE (at least severe forms of it).

I would love to see a doctor (and also spend money on it, if necessary) but I never heard of anybody approaching a doctor and getting good treatment. They give you drugs and send you home. I would love to get my vitamins and minerals and hormons checked but somebody has to chose which to check as well as actualy check them... If anybody has any advice for a german doctor, shoot!

At the moment I am supplementing Vitamin D3 + K2 in one. I also ordered Magnesiumcitrate yesterday as well as 5-HTP and Ashwagandha (for the last two, I am not sure if they should be taken together, but have not found anything on that yet). Besides that I try to eat as healthy as possible (fruits, mostly appel and banana in the morning with oats) and salad + chicken or beef in the evening. I drink a lot of coffee but trying to cut that down (thought about green/black tea?). I smoke but not often and I drink alcohol, mostly wine and gin (also not everyday but once a week or so). I have the feeling that my sleep is kinda bad, at least sometimes. Was thinking of getting some natural stuff to work on that (valerian as a tea, lavender in the bedroom, golden milk). Oh yeah and I am doing sports, not addicted to it but 3 - 4 times a week I am doing workouts without weights and 1 - 2 times a week I hit the gym.

[ZeNigmar]

I've sent both you and Kakal a PM.

Smoking and alcohol make your problem worse. Smoking clogs your blod vessels, alcohol raise your cortisol and is a histamine releaser. If i were you i would try to cut it down as much as possible.

If you smoke regularly and consider yourself addicted try transitioning to vaping at least, it is far less harmful for you overall health.
I guess red wine and gin are not the worst type of alcohol, just try not to get excessive.

[SoraSora]

How's your posture? If you have a tight pelvic floor still, even after doing hindi squats for a good while, chances are it may be caused by anterior pelvic tilt, which is a potential cause of pelvic floor tension.

[Kakal]

I think my posture is pretty bad to be honest and I think most likely I've done a lot of harm to it over the years, so I'm trying to be conscious of that and fix it as well as doing some yoga exercises, child's pose, cat cow and cobra every night.

Need to check for the pelvic tilt to see what exactly is going on in that area as I've yet to fully check what's going on.

Thanks for the replies

[Kakal]

03/07/18
Today's session I begun with dry tight gripped edging for about 10 minutes, which seems to be about the longest I can go before my EQ drops and I need to use lube or fleshlight these days.

After 10 minutes I lubed up and edged for another 10-15 minutes and felt very in control and my PF felt relaxed (I had been doing some hindi squats throughout the day whilst teaching although not for long periods of time I think it definitely loosened things up again after not doing any squats like that for a while.

Because my EQ wasn't great and my arousal was low and sensitivity as well, I decided to try porn again.

I found a video with a girl who wasn't particularly 'hot' but she was ok and she was Asian (like my girlfriend) and the video wasn't too overly fake if you know what I mean.

The video was 8 minutes long and I managed to edge throughout the whole video, I did need to stop once and had to a few long RK holds to keep the area relaxed and try to not get too into the video really but overall was fairly chuffed with the session. I noticed that the video gave me a much stronger EQ than before when I was using my imagination and when looking at some explicit photos of my girlfriend, it went from about a 6/7 up to a 7.5-8.5.

Finished without ejaculating and felt pretty good.

Not sure if I'll really have time to edge tonight (04/07/18) as I took on a new part time student and didn't get back until 9PM, I still need to shower and do my PF stretches and routine which I prioritise over the edging at the moment.
Although I'm not sure if that's the way to do it or not really.

I need to make the time to just edge daily really, but it pretty tough at times when I have part time students 3 times a week outside of the school hours (8:30-5:30) and then I don't get home until 9 (10 on Fridays) , I always feel pretty exhausted and still need to do a few things once I get home and when you're exhausted you don't really feel in the mood to stroke your dick for 30 minutes or longer, well at least I don't.

[nofun]

I've sent both you and Kakal a PM.

Smoking and alcohol make your problem worse. Smoking clogs your blod vessels, alcohol raise your cortisol and is a histamine releaser. If i were you i would try to cut it down as much as possible.

If you smoke regularly and consider yourself addicted try transitioning to vaping at least, it is far less harmful for you overall health.
I guess red wine and gin are not the worst type of alcohol, just try not to get excessive.

Thanks for the message.

The alcohol thing: You are talking about long-term? Cause when I am drunk I can last pretty long in intercourse as well as masturbation. So the intoxication is doing smth that makes me last longer. Losing sensitivity due to less sensitive nerve system? Or am I more relaxed when drunk so the pelvic floor is not so tight?

How's your posture? If you have a tight pelvic floor still, even after doing hindi squats for a good while, chances are it may be caused by anterior pelvic tilt, which is a potential cause of pelvic floor tension.

My posture is bad. That is a fact. I just do not know how bad. I got anterior pelvic tilt and scoliosis. For the anterior tilt, I try to do strenghtening exercises and stretches. Think it would be good to see a doctor for that too.