My take on PE. and how i cured it

[PE_Hell]

You can rk without your abs but they just arnt as strong unless you engage your abs. Also deep belly breathing helps push a harder rk as well. What you lack is muscle memory. You dont know how because you haven't done the work to stretch and train.

Quite easily actually. You can still breath when you tense your abs. If you cant then practice.

Yes obviously you can, but it's annoying.

[Pegasus]

Yes obviously you can, but it's annoying.

This indicates you have not done enough training.

[andrewvi7]

OP said you cant do RK without tensing abs which is true. I don't understand how it is physiliogically possible otherwise.

The question is how the fuck do you properly breathe while your abs are constantly tensed for 5+ minutes

That was at the start due to the fact the pelvic floor was never getting stretched out so it got super stiff, and with APT and weak core, it meant I had to push hard for that pelvic floor to release. Now, my pelvic floor is far more elastic with no APT and rising core stretch. I can now do an RK simply by thinking it, the PF relaxes and just drops due to gravity and organ weight. Easy as shit these days. Just gotta bring back the abs when arousal gets involved

[Johnny D]

Yes obviously you can, but it's annoying.

Sounds like you're pretty annoyed by pre-e. Which do you find more annoying?

If all you're gonna do is complain about there being no cure for you, you've made that point. We're done.

If you came here for help, stop with the resistance. Admit you haven't tried enough. And open yourself up to learning.

[Paul789]

You need to look at lifestyle, it's the only way I completely cured mine. You don't see children with tight hips and APT.
At the base of your pelvis you have the ischial tuberosity (sitz bones) and when you sit make sure you are sat directly on these.
Many people sit slightly forwards of these, and if you are then sat 8 or so hours a day what happens is your glutes stop activating , you lose strength in your abs, your quads/hip flexors become super super tight and then you have APT.
So this is many hours a day with bad posture and contracted flexors, if you then sleep with your legs curled up that is another 8 hours with the flexors contracted.
This is why reports now say sitting is the new smoking. It causes different problems for different people and for us the weakest link it found was pelvic floor dysfunction. This APT has yanked up your hamstrings/glutes/pf and now they are working dysfunctionally. They need to be dropped and relaxed. The anterior muscles need to be stretched.
Until you have removed the dysfunction/symptoms don't do any strengthening, strengthening a dysfunctional muscle is bad news. Amy Stein talks about this in her book Heal Pelvic Pain.
I once made the mistake of doing clam shells with pelvic floor dysfunction and it was just terrible what happened.

My pelvic floor dysfunction was so bad i used to bleed with every bowel movement, no erections, no libido, ejaculating whilst still flaccid within seconds, leaking urine. The muscles were so dysfunctional it attacked my nervous system and so continual panic attacks.
But i cured it by

NOT stretching the pf, hammies or glutes

Stretching the hell out of my quads

Masturbation/sex to a minimum whilst recovering as this yanks up your pf big time!

Realizing the pf was over-stretched -not tense.

Not bothering edging, this is absolutely pointless when you still have imbalances.

Not 'trying' to stop ik's, this is just your pf being yanked up further, this is something that will naturally stop as your treat yourself.

DON't kegel, this is totally counter-productive.

Don't stretch quads until you have removed the muscle knots. You have 4 quads, one attaches to the pelvis, if you don't remove the knots first what can happen is when you stretch it it just yanks the pelvis even more downwards at the front.

but above all by moving all day. I don't sit now, i move all day like my body was designed to. I understand that some of you will have office jobs etc But this is why APT is on the rise.

By moving a lot more this will also keep your core strong and you will find muscles naturally becoming less tense and more flexible.

We all have pfd at different degrees and so some or hopefully many of you may just need to do some stretching, if not you will need to make some lifestyle changes.
When you realize 'properly' what you have and treat yourself properly the recovery is actually very linear. Week to week you will see improvements. And the less you sit and the more you move (like our bodies were designed to) the quicker your recovery will be.

[soon2bhuge]

Don't stretch quads until you have removed the muscle knots. You have 4 quads, one attaches to the pelvis, if you don't remove the knots first what can happen is when you stretch it it just yanks the pelvis even more downwards at the front.

How do you remove the knots? blackroll?

Nice post!

[Paul789]

i would begin by placing a hot water bottle on my quads for ten or so minutes. Then i used a foam roller on them for 10/15 minutes (don't arch your back as you are rolling as this will further promote the APT)
and then i used a small hard rubber ball, this was the best part as it absolutely penetrates the muscle.
Remember to drink lots of water.

[andrewvi7]

You need to look at lifestyle, it's the only way I completely cured mine. You don't see children with tight hips and APT.
At the base of your pelvis you have the ischial tuberosity (sitz bones) and when you sit make sure you are sat directly on these.
Many people sit slightly forwards of these, and if you are then sat 8 or so hours a day what happens is your glutes stop activating , you lose strength in your abs, your quads/hip flexors become super super tight and then you have APT.
So this is many hours a day with bad posture and contracted flexors, if you then sleep with your legs curled up that is another 8 hours with the flexors contracted.
This is why reports now say sitting is the new smoking. It causes different problems for different people and for us the weakest link it found was pelvic floor dysfunction. This APT has yanked up your hamstrings/glutes/pf and now they are working dysfunctionally. They need to be dropped and relaxed. The anterior muscles need to be stretched.
Until you have removed the dysfunction/symptoms don't do any strengthening, strengthening a dysfunctional muscle is bad news. Amy Stein talks about this in her book Heal Pelvic Pain.
I once made the mistake of doing clam shells with pelvic floor dysfunction and it was just terrible what happened.

My pelvic floor dysfunction was so bad i used to bleed with every bowel movement, no erections, no libido, ejaculating whilst still flaccid within seconds, leaking urine. The muscles were so dysfunctional it attacked my nervous system and so continual panic attacks.
But i cured it by

NOT stretching the pf, hammies or glutes

Stretching the hell out of my quads

Masturbation/sex to a minimum whilst recovering as this yanks up your pf big time!

Realizing the pf was over-stretched -not tense.

Not bothering edging, this is absolutely pointless when you still have imbalances.

Not 'trying' to stop ik's, this is just your pf being yanked up further, this is something that will naturally stop as your treat yourself.

DON't kegel, this is totally counter-productive.

Don't stretch quads until you have removed the muscle knots. You have 4 quads, one attaches to the pelvis, if you don't remove the knots first what can happen is when you stretch it it just yanks the pelvis even more downwards at the front.

but above all by moving all day. I don't sit now, i move all day like my body was designed to. I understand that some of you will have office jobs etc But this is why APT is on the rise.

By moving a lot more this will also keep your core strong and you will find muscles naturally becoming less tense and more flexible.

We all have pfd at different degrees and so some or hopefully many of you may just need to do some stretching, if not you will need to make some lifestyle changes.
When you realize 'properly' what you have and treat yourself properly the recovery is actually very linear. Week to week you will see improvements. And the less you sit and the more you move (like our bodies were designed to) the quicker your recovery will be.

That's quite a facinating post to be honest. I would of thought that with an overly loose PF, you would have the symptoms of urine leakage etc as you mentioned, but that it would also resulted in DE rather than PE?

How did your PF behave day to day vs while edging/ having sex, did it used to go from super lose to rapid IKs with little stimulation, or?

[Paul789]

well the pf wasn't loose. Because of the mis-aligned pelvis it was chronically over-stretched and when it was very bad this gives the golf ball feeling in the rectum. Because of this it didn't have its full range of motion which meant it was also very weak.
In the worse moments i couldn't have sex or edge. But as i became better the pe naturally resolved itself. Practising edging had no significance, this is a muscular issue and will only resolve when you correct the muscular imbalances.
Ik's are a consequence of all i mention above, and when you edge or have sex and you are yanking up further already yanked up posterior muscles this will result in an ik. Again this will naturally resolve as you correct the imbalances.

This is exactly why symptoms can be worse after a bowel movement.

My advice would be while you are recovering keep masturbating/sex to a minimum. Each time you orgasm your muscles are lifting again and so delaying the relaxation/lowering process. And when you are edging each time you have an ik you have again angered the muscles.

The other huge symptom was a massively sensitive frenulum, again this will naturally resolve as you correct the imbalances.
So will post urination dribble, and the anxiety (these are fight/flight muscles) acne should clear, your voice may lower. Morning erections return, hard flaccid vanishes.

[Cachitotto]

well the pf wasn't loose. Because of the mis-aligned pelvis it was chronically over-stretched and when it was very bad this gives the golf ball feeling in the rectum. Because of this it didn't have its full range of motion which meant it was also very weak.
In the worse moments i couldn't have sex or edge. But as i became better the pe naturally resolved itself. Practising edging had no significance, this is a muscular issue and will only resolve when you correct the muscular imbalances.
Ik's are a consequence of all i mention above, and when you edge or have sex and you are yanking up further already yanked up posterior muscles this will result in an ik. Again this will naturally resolve as you correct the imbalances.

This is exactly why symptoms can be worse after a bowel movement.

My advice would be while you are recovering keep masturbating/sex to a minimum. Each time you orgasm your muscles are lifting again and so delaying the relaxation/lowering process. And when you are edging each time you have an ik you have again angered the muscles.

The other huge symptom was a massively sensitive frenulum, again this will naturally resolve as you correct the imbalances.
So will post urination dribble, and the anxiety (these are fight/flight muscles) acne should clear, your voice may lower. Morning erections return, hard flaccid vanishes.

Hey Paul789, really interesting approach how you cured yourself, I really feel that is the way.
The times i had my best performances where those where my pf and all pelvic and legs area felt stretched and relaxed. What I would like to find is a stretching routine to keep everything down there sort of "in balance". Know any video or website where i can find that kind of routine ??

Thanks man