Going beyond traditional approaches - my thoughts and observations (PYT;Glans)

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Originally Posted by Pegasus

Re your point 2 this is part of what pelvic floor training does.
That is in part pelvic floor training creates a tolerance for stimulation so that it does not cause wild spasms that drive a guy to ponr.
In a sense it is not the sensitivity of the frenulum which is the issue ,everyones frenulum is sensitive after all . It is the reaction of the body to it that is the issue .

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For me actually, it is not the frenulum. It is the lower backside of the glans, the Corona and the transition from the Corona to the shaft. I tried this out with the Pau Yuen Tong and it made me a man without problems (that could enjoy sexual intercourse). Interestingly i even got told it was the best sex she ever had. Well i don't know if she lied to me or not - it was just a ONS after all but i certainly am knowledged on how to please a women without the side-effect preE has on me.

Whatever is "wrong" in my body creating this effect, numbing this one little area on my genital makes the difference between a Champ and a Pump Chump.

I can certainly say, that this is not created by my mental state of mind as i observed the same thing in masturbation within a relaxed atmosphere sensivitywise.
I don't think this is cognitive bias as this method works rather reliable on stimulation. as i am still doing yoga, and i got an above average flexibility aswell as a proficient squat (140kg below parallel) i am rather muscular.

The only thing i am currently looking at is the risk of getting sores and so on from friction or constant stimulation. I gotta look on this topic more deeply

Hi ZeNigmar,

A couple questions just to continue to deepen my understanding of preE and treatments. I read through your progress log and saw you did a lot of work on the traditional physical techniques (edging, stretching, RKs, etc). Do you think if you would have tried PYT before you did all that training, that PYT would have worked for you?

I ask because I tried many numbing creams over the years I had preE, and they never worked. I have tried PYT a couple times, but that was after I started my training. One time during edging it worked. The one time I tried it during real sex, I put on too much and could barely get an erection and couldn’t ejaculate. As many people say, it does feel much different than the other numbing creams. So, I wonder if all the exercises helped you get to a point where it could work for you because your one remaining symptom was penis sensitivity. There are some fraction of people who PYT doesn’t work for. Do you think they may have other untreated symptoms? Or, do you think they are applying it incorrectly (incorrect timing or amount)? Thanks.

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Originally Posted by ZeNigmar

The difference is, and that is really important, deathgrip desensitize the whole genital (besides potentially fracturing it) i search for a method to desensitize this particular spots to weaken or stop involuntary PV contractions which lead to ejaculation.

Death grip in comparison is like, if you like analogies, your banana has a brown spot, but instead of cutting it out and eating the rest you just throw away the whole banana.

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I get what you're saying. I'm focusing on the head of the penis, similar to you when I do death grip. When I edge I focus on my most sensitive spots to try and get used to the feeling of those being stimulated (this sounds like what you're trying to do).

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Originally Posted by WillGetBetter

Hi ZeNigmar,

A couple questions just to continue to deepen my understanding of preE and treatments. I read through your progress log and saw you did a lot of work on the traditional physical techniques (edging, stretching, RKs, etc). Do you think if you would have tried PYT before you did all that training, that PYT would have worked for you?

I ask because I tried many numbing creams over the years I had preE, and they never worked. I have tried PYT a couple times, but that was after I started my training. One time during edging it worked. The one time I tried it during real sex, I put on too much and could barely get an erection and couldn’t ejaculate. As many people say, it does feel much different than the other numbing creams. So, I wonder if all the exercises helped you get to a point where it could work for you because your one remaining symptom was penis sensitivity.

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I don't regret that "traditional" training at all, i may continue my log too, but at the moment i don't have the time for the log with indepth posts as undetailed posts would be repetitive. As for as how it went.

In retrospective, the heavy focus on routine made me loose the relaxing and enjoying effect masturbating (or sex) can have sometimes. On top of that it is hard to get a really good erection to train on without visual stimulation, which can contribute to time fluctuations.

Personally a "Kegel-strengthening-routine" didn't help me so much in itself, i am a muscular guy, especially when it comes to legs/glutes so i think weak PV can be ruled out.


What really helped me was Edging and controlled breating to find my trigger points. knowing how your reproductive "system" works effectively contributes to understanding and "solving" your problems. Yoga helped me too, i think stretching your hip-abductors and tendons in the hip area is mandatory in our sedative lifestyle anyway.

All this didn't really help to solve all spasm and i didn't feel like making progress so i moved beyond this traditional approaches for example with things like in this thread.


In conclusion i also want to add that mental problems should be ruled out first. I was heavily depressed half a year ago and highly anxious because my ex broke my heart really hard. All this resulted in a negative feedback loop where i pressured me to immediately solve that shit and force it so i can have sex with the next girl "properly".

Accepting your flaws and making the best out of it contributes to finding that peacefull state of mind. Thats when i tried PYT and it worked as a charm.

Nevertheless i would say do the training, but don't expect *ANYTHING* to work. High expectations bring high disappointment. I would do the training again.

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Originally Posted by WillGetBetter

There are some fraction of people who PYT doesn’t work for. Do you think they may have other untreated symptoms? Or, do you think they are applying it incorrectly (incorrect timing or amount)? Thanks.

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Yes i think so. Mental issues are a huge contributor to things like negative feedback-loops. there are several things you can consider when it comes to general health (sleep, food, posture) too that can contribute to an hormonal imbalance which produce more excitatory neurotransmitters that lead to premature ejaculation.

But yea, i think for most people PYT should work if applied to said areas with ~2h time before sex

I think the argument of whether desensitizing is good or bad simply comes down to whether one can actually solve their PE problems just by doing pelvic floor balancing exercises, because if that is the case, then desenitizing is simply being in a rush and you are giving up long term pleasure just because you are too lazy to deal with it properly.

But if as you say, there are people who can't solve their PE through just RK's and stretching, and these people actually don't get results even though they follow strict routines and take shit seriously, then of course, you would have to agree that desensitizing to the required extent is the way to go, because then you are indeed trading some feeling for the ability to have actual pleasurable anxiety-free sex.

I just think it's very important that you actually do try seriously with the pelvic floor approach before you give up on it, because man is it not so much better to have full control over when you orgasm when every stroke feels amazing rather than just OK.

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Originally Posted by Socket

I think the argument of whether desensitizing is good or bad simply comes down to whether one can actually solve their PE problems just by doing pelvic floor balancing exercises, because if that is the case, then desenitizing is simply being in a rush and you are giving up long term pleasure just because you are too lazy to deal with it properly.

But if as you say, there are people who can't solve their PE through just RK's and stretching, and these people actually don't get results even though they follow strict routines and take shit seriously, then of course, you would have to agree that desensitizing to the required extent is the way to go, because then you are indeed trading some feeling for the ability to have actual pleasurable anxiety-free sex.

I just think it's very important that you actually do try seriously with the pelvic floor approach before you give up on it, because man is it not so much better to have full control over when you orgasm when every stroke feels amazing rather than just OK.

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Yep .
First I want to acknowledge mental factors which are nor really my area .

Now Here is the thing the world is full of lazy unfocused people who don't want to admit it .

My world is full of people who claim to have had iron discipline and worked for a long time with great diligence .
They don;t have logs or when they do i find a different story . I also get guys telling me they are a genius and know better or whatever .

Look a disciplined approach is needed for many of the pe gym techniques to work . If you are thinking where is the pill/balm whatever you have lost focus and focus is required.

I think that the result of your quest beyond traditional means will be that there is not a "one size fits all" solution. It goes back to what Socket was saying. For some, PF balancing is the solution. For others it is desensitizing or arousal control or even something as simple as breathing. I think the best way to find what works best is to track what you have tried.

I too am a heavy weight lifter (powerlifting) and as a result do a lot of leg workouts. I'm only now realizing that this may lead to an extremely tight PF despite me having really good flexibility. While you are flexible, you may still carry some tension with you through out the day.

Here is another thing drummer19 I spoke with a lot . That kid always looked for a way forward he looked at mental approaches he looked at different types of physical work some a bit outside the box . I encouraged him.
James Monroe came along quirky as hell different off the wall ideas left and right . Hell he picked my brains and backstory for deathgrip. I still have reservations but i didn't stand in his way . Marcusha promoted various stretches I said wow guys have a look at this . I saw ammonites work and talk him into writing hois edging for pre e masterwork. And so on , I don;t mind new ideas all these have become part of the pe gym lexicon .

However looking for a pill or the like seems to revolve around avoiding the issue . I may not agree with deathgrip but it does not evolve from lazy or from arrogance or from lack of focus and it is work based.

I dont get it what u mean with „the lower Backside of the Glans“

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Originally Posted by iwillbeatit

I dont get it what u mean with „the lower Backside of the Glans“

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What i want to say with this, if you look down on your erect penis you see the "backside" of your glans. If you go up to the tip of your dick you'll get the urethra so the hole of your glans that functions for urination and ejaculation. If you apply PYT dont cover all your glans just the lower part above your corona glandis.
Coat the whole "ring" of the corona with a bit of the creme and leave some on the side of the frenulum.

This helped me to control my kegels while having sex. I didn't have a lot of sex though, so i need more to try that out. A GF is not an option at the moment so im rather busy searching and finding new ones besides my approaching degree in a few months.

I'll report back on you if i got something new in this regards:-p