My PE Log

**ACPreE** · 10-10-2019

Originally Posted by WoodWork

Thanks for the answers

So I understand that the front-front RK seemed as you could use it in sex (that didn't work at that time because of tense PF) but in the end you trained your PF to be loose during sex so you don't even need it now?

Now that you have control of your PF you don't have sudden spikes and thus don't require RKs to fight them?

Correct. So far i haven't had any sudden spikes and only RK slightly to maintain a relaxed PF during sex. From when i started to now, I feel a larger area between a relaxed / slight RK and a kegel hold. The distance is further and therefore i can more easily tell when the PF is tensing up. As the pull starts to grow you muscle memory it and physically relax and drop the raised PF(Tension). There is 2 feelings really a pulling and a pushing feeling.

**bball33** · 10-10-2019

I agree and experience it like that. I try and do a mental relax to myself, take a deep breath and keep going. Basically you train the relaxed PF to respond to deep breathing so deep breath means loosen. That is my go to as I notice it tighten. As you do this it becomes normal and just breathing correctly will automatically relax your PF. It's like the pregnancy classes, all they are teaching you is to breath through pain, you want to breath through pleasure. Breathing during orgasm is more intense then holding your breath.

**ACPreE** · 10-20-2019

Just thought id throw up a 1 month update.

Stamina has went down a little bit because my ab/core workout has slipped up a little because we had another sickness sweep through the family again -.-
Had sex the other night and still lasted about 10mins which was still great but what killed me about it was that I started letting my PF tighten after we switched to missionary. I ended up finishing maybe 15 seconds before her which wasn't bad but still unhappy about losing control at the end.

Now one thing I had thought about when it comes to the PF and tension. I had thought about one example i had used about closing your legs and opening your legs. The tension on the PF changes and lead me to think, how is everyone's flexibility when it comes to the splits? Iv noticed my legs are more closer together when i walk or stand and after a comment I received a while back about my stride, Iv tried walking with my legs a little more open. I always am crossing my legs while sitting or sitting on my legs of which probably developed my legs to be closer together.

Just letting my thoughts run. It maybe nowhere related but just thought id put the thought out there in case it had some value. Like maybe the legs closer together pushes the PF up and causes it to sit higher. Kind of like how sitting all day affects the hip flexors.

Food for though.

**bball33** · 10-20-2019

My stamina has gone down alittle because of how we need to be positioned. She's been kinda pushing my legs together which makes me have a harder time with relaxing my pf. I believe leg position is a variable.

**ACPreE** · 10-21-2019

Originally Posted by bball33

My stamina has gone down alittle because of how we need to be positioned. She's been kinda pushing my legs together which makes me have a harder time with relaxing my pf. I believe leg position is a variable.

Couldn't agree more I'm saying more innate long term build up of our sitting habits and lack there of flexibility that may cause issues. Could be just a hunch.

**upuratinario** · 10-22-2019

About the legs part:
- i myself have a terrible habbit of crossing my legs at the office, even in bed, when I eat, whenever. I also have my legs very close one to another. One day when I did that frog-like stretch with a pillow under the back and sit like that for 10 minutes, when i started walking, I felt so much distance between the legs. Sadly didn't pursue this after, because I forgot about it. Since 2 days i started correcting my posture at the desk. Shoulder blades not rounded anymore and back straight. Feet wide apart and soles in front of the knees compares to behind how i used to keep them. 6 out of 10 when I breathe I can feel that diaphragmatic piston.

**ACPreE** · 10-22-2019

Originally Posted by upuratinario

About the legs part:
- i myself have a terrible habbit of crossing my legs at the office, even in bed, when I eat, whenever. I also have my legs very close one to another. One day when I did that frog-like stretch with a pillow under the back and sit like that for 10 minutes, when i started walking, I felt so much distance between the legs. Sadly didn't pursue this after, because I forgot about it. Since 2 days i started correcting my posture at the desk. Shoulder blades not rounded anymore and back straight. Feet wide apart and soles in front of the knees compares to behind how i used to keep them. 6 out of 10 when I breathe I can feel that diaphragmatic piston.

Sounds like a legitimate thing to consider doesn't it. I wonder how many of us have this issue.

**TheOnionSpiral** · 10-28-2019

Hi ACPreE, I’m very new to this forum although I’ve had PE for probably 4 years now (I’m 22). I have two questions:

1. This thread says “ NOTE: You shouldn’t do a reverse kegel only routine indefinitely this could cause a weakening of the pelvic floor muscles that could make it difficult to cum or even maintain an erection”. I don't see you do a normal kegel routine anywhere. Is your PF really weakened?

https://www.pegym.com/forums/premature-ejaculation-forum/42035-confusion-reverse-kegels.html

2. Just like above, I find myself unable to maintain an erection if I dont contract my PC/BC muscle. If your PF is so relaxed during sex, how do you manage to keep yourself hard?

**upuratinario** · 10-28-2019

I also asked him the same question, he doesn't do a kegel routine, but he doesn't do a RK routine either if you read carefully. He sometimes maintains a smal small RK, that's basically keeping a small portion of air in your diaphragm and somehow pushing down when you breathe with your abs. He also does some abs workout.
If you feel your RK sore or unable to keep an erection, then maybe the PF is not the culprit in your case, but maybe something else like mental aspects, can't control arousal, etc.

**ACPreE** · 10-28-2019

Originally Posted by TheOnionSpiral

Hi ACPreE, I’m very new to this forum although I’ve had PE for probably 4 years now (I’m 22). I have two questions:

1. This thread says “ NOTE: You shouldn’t do a reverse kegel only routine indefinitely this could cause a weakening of the pelvic floor muscles that could make it difficult to cum or even maintain an erection”. I don't see you do a normal kegel routine anywhere. Is your PF really weakened?

https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...se-kegels.html

2. Just like above, I find myself unable to maintain an erection if I dont contract my PC/BC muscle. If your PF is so relaxed during sex, how do you manage to keep yourself hard?

Hey there welcome aboard

1. So to clarify, i know my log doesn't show everything before and during but only the highlights I remembered to write down. I always held a slight kegel 24/7, this made my PF very tight and high. This made my PC muscle very strong and the only way i had been dealing with my PreE is to Kegel hold at the PONR to get past it without ejaculating. That was what i did before i learned it was a MMO technique. Before I found this website I only read sites saying to do kegels so i had done a kegel routine for about 2-3 weeks. Then when i found this site I stopped all kegels and started a 100% RK routine as I knew my kegels were pretty well off to start with.

But yes i did do a RK routine throughout the whole recovery along with stretching but it wasn't until the addition of the workout and then holding a slight RK all day long that really flipped the switch. It was at that point i could feel my body starting to default the PF tension into more of a relaxed state and less of a constant tension.

I don't have a reduction in my EQ, it stays about the same because i think i stopped at a good point where i'm loose and relaxed but not weak. Now I just do maintanence with a workout, stretch occasionally and slight RK all day to reinforce relaxing. I don't have issues staying hard because not having to worry so much about the PONR allows me to stay aroused by other ways instead of direct penetration. I'm able to squeeze rub slap and other things to keep myself turned on the whole time. And she loves it too.

Its not just about RKing to last forever but to balance and have the control to last but also the control to finish. The relaxed PF and slight RK helps to last and the Kegel helps to finish. Balance both but make sure to retrain your PF to not be tensed up 24/7 but only when it needs to be (heavy lifting and such)

Hope this answered your questions