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    Hey guys. What you think about my theory?

    Has anyone of you observed what does your balls doing when you are kegeling or RKing?

    I realized that when I do the normal kegel my balls going up.

    When doing light reverse kegel they are hanging normal.
    When I do the strong reverse kegel they are going up.

    Now look at that:
    When peeing:
    light RK= better stream
    Strong RK (balls up)= bad stream
    Normal kegel(balls up)= peeing stops

    When fucking, masturbating:
    Normal Kegel (balls up)= better hardness and quick time to the PONR
    Strong RK(balls up) = the same as above
    Light RK= THE KEY for lasting longer BUT for me it is impossible above 8/10 arousal and I think for those who have PreE too.
    When I am 100% horny my balls are in the up position even when I am not kegeling or RKing. But what causing this?

    Balls up=IKs spasms and cum.

    My knowledge about human anatomy is still low but I was searching a little bit and...

    There is a muscle called here in Poland "ball hanger muscle" or "musculus cremaster". It is a part of ABS muscles. Maybe this is the muscle that we should pay more attention? No kegels, reverse kegels, rear kegels, rear reverse kegels but this one? What you think?
    11/2018
    BPEL 7.5 (19cm)
    NBPEL 7 (18cm)
    MEG 5.3 (13.5cm)
    BEG 5.7 (14.5cm)

  • #2
    I think with a strong reverse kegel we are engaging the ischiacavernosus muscle. A "two legged" muscle that the is one part of creating an erection. The other is the bc.
    The cremaster is also connected to it.
    And yes when near the PONR it seems a strong RK starts the ejaculation process.
    But so does a normal kegel if it's not trained enough.
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    • #3
      Thats pretty crazy because i was thinking into the affects of the IC muscle the other day. I'm not going to lie, I have kinda lower hanging balls. When I flexed my abs i felt my balls go up. I can flex and relax the IC muscles and rise and lower my balls without kegeling.
      I have read one way to delay orgasm was to pull the balls down which confused me because my balls are already down but I wonder if it is an indicator of my lower ab/core strength or lack there of i should say.

      I think when the balls go up or down depending on Kegeling or RKing, it is probably because when you flex or relax the area. The IC and BC are right next to each other so it makes sense you would be triggering both when preforming those actions.

      Unsure though if strengthening the IC muscle would help or hurt.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by ACPreE View Post
        I think when the balls go up or down depending on Kegeling or RKing, it is probably because when you flex or relax the area. The IC and BC are right next to each other so it makes sense you would be triggering both when preforming those actions.

        Unsure though if strengthening the IC muscle would help or hurt.
        Balls contract up before ejaculation. Pulling down can help but is not reliable.

        Strengthening the PF is never bad as long as you keep it balanced.
        There are ways to strengthen the IC. Like contracting against holding an erection to the left or right. (The IC is also responsible for stabilizing an erection)
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        • #5
          Originally posted by DickerSchwanz View Post
          Balls contract up before ejaculation. Pulling down can help but is not reliable.

          Strengthening the PF is never bad as long as you keep it balanced.
          There are ways to strengthen the IC. Like contracting against holding an erection to the left or right. (The IC is also responsible for stabilizing an erection)
          I honestly dont feel my balls raise at all.

          Ment for the IC strength, not sure if it hurts or helps preE. If I work my IC muscle is it like working a kegel, will it make preE worse.

          Stabilizing? Like centering it while erect? Or maintaining EQ
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          • #6
            From my experience, a hard front RK doesnt get me closer to the PONR. I think it makes a balance with my already strong IK and it also makes my balls hang lower while fully erect but not always. Its hard for me to keep the constant hold of the front RK while breathing properly during edging tho. It makes me go into apnea quiet often but I'm just getting used to doing front RK.
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            • #7
              Interesting angle, ffoo! Especially with the cremaster... I was wondering if ABS are connected to the BC muscle because lately I've been doing more ABS stretches like cobra or the bow, and it just felt right, I could really feel that front area relax.

              And I just remember now that everytime I did pelvic floor stretching routines, my balls would hang reeeally low in the end. And in these routines you don't really push hard or force anything, just slightly, as you said.
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              • #8
                This is an underrated post if you ask me.
                From my observations, balls position directly impacts PONR. And the cremaster muscle seems to be the key.

                Contributing my anecdotes to the thread:
                When Im lying on my back with W riding me, my balls tend to quickly retract into my body...making it damn near impossible to NOT reach PONR. Funny enough, if Ive had a few drinks, PONR is a lot easier to manage. I have not had much luck controlling this (supposed) cremaster reflex when Im on my back. I dont seem to have this problem in missionary, spooning, or standing. Doggie is hit or miss.

                My theory is that old porn habits from back in the day contributed to this condition. In the past year I have been working on PF conditioning. Mostly RKs, FKs, root lock, and from a weight management perspective, exercises focused on strengthening the core and glutes.

                During edging, I pay attention to how my body responds to stimulus. In addition to IKs, Ive recently noticed involuntary flex of the hamstrings in tandem with IKs. I figure if I can manage this, it might help with delaying PONR so W can ride off into the sunset for however long she pleases instead of racing to come before I do.
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                Aug 2016 BPFL 5.5" BPEL 6.5" EG:5.125" EQ:6/10
                Jun 2017 BPFL 6.5" BPEL 7.25" EG:5.50 EQ 6.5/10
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ACPreE View Post
                  I honestly dont feel my balls raise at all.

                  Ment for the IC strength, not sure if it hurts or helps preE. If I work my IC muscle is it like working a kegel, will it make preE worse.

                  Stabilizing? Like centering it while erect? Or maintaining EQ
                  The IC is kind of to the BC like the triceps is to the biceps. It could help with a preE case.
                  IMO all training that leads to conscious control of the muscles will help. I see preE as a loss of control.

                  Yes it's centering the penis while it's erect. All IC training seems only effective erect. I get no access to it otherwise.

                  Pushing the erect dick left or right and then engaging the IC against the movement works.
                  Also pushing down on the erect penis and engaging IC against it works.
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                  • #10
                    Will also add, if the balls havent retracted too far in, it will delay PONR by pulling down on them. If anyone tries it, let me know what your experience is.
                    I came here for the EQ, but I stayed for PE

                    Dick Stats
                    Aug 2016 BPFL 5.5" BPEL 6.5" EG:5.125" EQ:6/10
                    Jun 2017 BPFL 6.5" BPEL 7.25" EG:5.50 EQ 6.5/10
                    OCT 2018 BPFL BPEL 7.75" EG:5.50 EQ 7/10

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by donkeehote View Post
                      Will also add, if the balls havent retracted too far in, it will delay PONR by pulling down on them. If anyone tries it, let me know what your experience is.
                      That's happening. It helps for some moments. Seems like it's part of the ejaculation process.
                      Like a chamber on gun putting the bullet to the barrel.
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                      • #12
                        I'm happy that you have interested in the topic, but now I am sure, I was wrong thinking. Yesterday I tried to pull down my balls when I reached PONR but it not helped me. It doesn't work for me. I was searching a lot about cremaster and other PF muscles and there is some connection between them, so it will be too simple.

                        I spent hours on reading about PF. Now I ve got a lot of new knowledge about pelvic floor muscles. I ve got some theories and my own experiences, I would like to talk with someone and maybe together we will resolve the problem.

                        I think RKs are not solution.

                        Ufortunately my English is not as good as I would like and in my country there is no forums as PEGYM.
                        11/2018
                        BPEL 7.5 (19cm)
                        NBPEL 7 (18cm)
                        MEG 5.3 (13.5cm)
                        BEG 5.7 (14.5cm)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ffuu View Post
                          I'm happy that you have interested in the topic, but now I am sure, I was wrong thinking. Yesterday I tried to pull down my balls when I reached PONR but it not helped me. It doesn't work for me. I was searching a lot about cremaster and other PF muscles and there is some connection between them, so it will be too simple.

                          I spent hours on reading about PF. Now I ve got a lot of new knowledge about pelvic floor muscles. I ve got some theories and my own experiences, I would like to talk with someone and maybe together we will resolve the problem.

                          I think RKs are not solution.

                          Ufortunately my English is not as good as I would like and in my country there is no forums as PEGYM.
                          Rising tescicles is part of the ejaculatory process and is very normal for people without PE as well.

                          RKs are not the cure to PE, they are simply a tool to fight a tight pelvic floor.

                          A tight pelvic floor is not the problem either, it is a symptom of something else.

                          Find the core problem, and the pelvic floor will stop tightening. Then use RKs and other tools to help keep it in a good condition.

                          Common things that may tighten your pelvic floor: weak core, APT, sucking in your stomach, inflammation, bad nutrition etc.

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                          • #14
                            Ok Andrew, I agree with you that posture problems tightening the pelvic floor but look at that:

                            I will copy my post of my theory from a different site.

                            My rules:
                            I use arousal scale in 10 points.
                            I use fake pussy (fleshlight) as my tester.
                            I am not masturbating at all, only Fleshlight fucking (or testing to not cum).
                            I use porn not for enjoyment just for more arousal for tests.
                            I am not on NoFap, NoCum challenge. I ve been but I think it is bullshit.

                            Now look at that:
                            With no visual stimulation I ve got about 8/10 arousal, dick is hard enough to fuck, my whole pelvic floor is loosen or almost loosen and I can fuck it as long as I want. Slow, fast, doesn't matter. Of course there are positions when my pelvic floor is active (I mean BC muscle) and I have to be careful but it is controllable. No IK spasms at all.

                            With 10/10 arousal when watching porn, almost every thrust=IK spasm. BC muscle is flexed , even when I try to do reverse kegel it puts me closer and closer to the PONR.


                            So. The main problem is BC. This muscle is too much active- we all know it. This muscle pumps semen into the penis(IK spasms), we need to avoid it. A lot of people do reverse kegels because it helped to maybe few people.
                            But I think it is not a solution, why?
                            Correct me if I am wrong.

                            I always thought that kegel= BC flexed, and reverse kegel= BC stretched.
                            But look at that! It is impossible! This is normal muscle like biceps. It is like 0 and 1 system. 0= unactive(loosen), 1= active(flexed). It is impossible to stretch out this muscle! There are a lot of muscles in the pelvic floor, not only one!

                            I think when we do reverse kegel we are NOT doing anything to the BC muscle. We are "loosening" LEVATOR ANI the part of pelvic diaphragm which is DEEPER then BC muscle.
                            The BC muscle is on the different level of pelvic floor than Levator ani.

                            Levator ani is the group of muscles and one of them(the biggest) is PC muscle, the one which can hold the sperm or pee.
                            What we can feel when "reverse kegeling" is levator ani movement or pelvic diaphragm caused by the group of muscles.


                            I think the PC muscle is always little bit active and we are loosening it only when the pee is going out. But it is only my theory.
                            Look at that:
                            When I go to the toilet to take a pee I am pulling down the panties, taking out dick, loosening the pelvic floor a little bit ( I think it is all about levator ani loosening and thightening by group of muscles, it feels like a little balloon pumping at this area) and the pee starts streaming. When I want to speed up I do the reverse kegel which is just loosening the levator ani much more.



                            I can stop pee without using BC muscle (no immediately because it can be done only by BC), I am not using it even at the end of the peeing process(I did it in past). I can avoid tightening the pelvic floor through the day(I did it in past). My BC muscle is not active when I am not 100% horny but It is fucking flexing at the highest arousal level and I don't fucking know how to avoid it!! When it is flexed the reverse kegel will not loose it. Nothing will loose it. No fucking way! Why? Because it is different muscle. The reverse kegel which feels like the little balloon pumping down there makes more force on the BC muscle which is under it and you are even closer to the PONR.

                            There is a lot of muscles down there. Every muscle do its own job. In my opinion there are two states 0 and 1. The BC muscle is dominant because of bad masturbation habbits. I think it is impossible to make it weaker by reverse kegels because it is different muscle.

                            The only solution that I think is possible is to make other muscles more dominant than BC but which one or how to do it?
                            11/2018
                            BPEL 7.5 (19cm)
                            NBPEL 7 (18cm)
                            MEG 5.3 (13.5cm)
                            BEG 5.7 (14.5cm)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ffuu View Post
                              Ok Andrew, I agree with you that posture problems tightening the pelvic floor but look at that:

                              I will copy my post of my theory from a different site.

                              My rules:
                              I use arousal scale in 10 points.
                              I use fake pussy (fleshlight) as my tester.
                              I am not masturbating at all, only Fleshlight fucking (or testing to not cum).
                              I use porn not for enjoyment just for more arousal for tests.
                              I am not on NoFap, NoCum challenge. I ve been but I think it is bullshit.

                              Now look at that:
                              With no visual stimulation I ve got about 8/10 arousal, dick is hard enough to fuck, my whole pelvic floor is loosen or almost loosen and I can fuck it as long as I want. Slow, fast, doesn't matter. Of course there are positions when my pelvic floor is active (I mean BC muscle) and I have to be careful but it is controllable. No IK spasms at all.

                              With 10/10 arousal when watching porn, almost every thrust=IK spasm. BC muscle is flexed , even when I try to do reverse kegel it puts me closer and closer to the PONR.


                              So. The main problem is BC. This muscle is too much active- we all know it. This muscle pumps semen into the penis(IK spasms), we need to avoid it. A lot of people do reverse kegels because it helped to maybe few people.
                              But I think it is not a solution, why?
                              Correct me if I am wrong.

                              I always thought that kegel= BC flexed, and reverse kegel= BC stretched.
                              But look at that! It is impossible! This is normal muscle like biceps. It is like 0 and 1 system. 0= unactive(loosen), 1= active(flexed). It is impossible to stretch out this muscle! There are a lot of muscles in the pelvic floor, not only one!

                              I think when we do reverse kegel we are NOT doing anything to the BC muscle. We are "loosening" LEVATOR ANI the part of pelvic diaphragm which is DEEPER then BC muscle.
                              The BC muscle is on the different level of pelvic floor than Levator ani.

                              Levator ani is the group of muscles and one of them(the biggest) is PC muscle, the one which can hold the sperm or pee.
                              What we can feel when "reverse kegeling" is levator ani movement or pelvic diaphragm caused by the group of muscles.


                              I think the PC muscle is always little bit active and we are loosening it only when the pee is going out. But it is only my theory.
                              Look at that:
                              When I go to the toilet to take a pee I am pulling down the panties, taking out dick, loosening the pelvic floor a little bit ( I think it is all about levator ani loosening and thightening by group of muscles, it feels like a little balloon pumping at this area) and the pee starts streaming. When I want to speed up I do the reverse kegel which is just loosening the levator ani much more.



                              I can stop pee without using BC muscle (no immediately because it can be done only by BC), I am not using it even at the end of the peeing process(I did it in past). I can avoid tightening the pelvic floor through the day(I did it in past). My BC muscle is not active when I am not 100% horny but It is fucking flexing at the highest arousal level and I don't fucking know how to avoid it!! When it is flexed the reverse kegel will not loose it. Nothing will loose it. No fucking way! Why? Because it is different muscle. The reverse kegel which feels like the little balloon pumping down there makes more force on the BC muscle which is under it and you are even closer to the PONR.

                              There is a lot of muscles down there. Every muscle do its own job. In my opinion there are two states 0 and 1. The BC muscle is dominant because of bad masturbation habbits. I think it is impossible to make it weaker by reverse kegels because it is different muscle.

                              The only solution that I think is possible is to make other muscles more dominant than BC but which one or how to do it?
                              Sounds to me like it's more of an arousal issue. In your mind, arousal equates to ejaculation. Something that you find hot (e.g. porn), equates to arousal, equates to ejaculation. It's pretty common, especially if you trained your mind to do so through visual stimulation and masturbation. We start having sex and everything is fine, suddenly just one moan or stimulating comment and we're blowing up. The moan equates to our own arousal when, instead, it should equate to your partner's. This is why edging is important - to retrain the mind and teach it that arousal doesn't have to mean ejaculation. Even better, that your partners arousal doesn't have to spike your own.

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