PreE90 routine progress log.

[elguevo Member Find all posts View Profile Close elguevo]

ok here we go...

so if you are reading this thread you might be in the same boat as me. dealing with Premature Ejaculation. meaning you ejaculate before you want to. it could be 5 mins, it could be 5 secs.

Problem is by the time we look for help then we already have performance anxiety and this i believe is the hardest to overcome.

My PreE started since day one. we all have it right, but then most of us get over it and go on to have good sex.

I took a shortcut.. so, as soon as i started having sex, Ill allow my self to orgasm within the first minute then recover very fast and then go on to a second time at it. I could go on for as long as i wanted. this of course led me to train my body to orgasm fast for that first shot.

Funny shit, one time I had sex with this one girl for the first time, and I came quick.. so she said.. is that it ? I was so used to that first shot going out quick all i said: now is when the fun begins.. of course i fucked her until they knocked on the door at the quick stay motel (they are 4 hours).

I mention this story is cause its all about training and not giving a fuck. First, i trained myself to ejaculate quick.. and second, when you don't give a fuck about your performance then you will not have that performance anxiety.

forward in time.. now i'm married couple of kids.. that first shot and quick recovery doesn't work any more. now what I should have done many many many years ago I have to do now. only that now is harder.

Having sex with my wife is now become a "How long can you last before ejaculating" exercise.

she is not aware of my struggle because i could usually last between 5-7 mins.. but is not sex. is just me trying not to come.

but, there are time in which i ejaculate in the first minute of penetration.

I'm writing all of this because i have already figured something out.. there is no quick fix. Believe me I tried.. even went to the Urologist.
I said remove the frenulum, it will reduce the sensation. I was told that doesn't do it. I was ready to get circumcised. That wont do it.
Even looked to get surgery to permanently desensitize the nerves.. anywhere in the world.. Not a real thing. believe me I looked.

He suggested I tried the desensitizing spray. I have tried it a handful of times. I used as suggested 3 shots. I ejaculated within a couple of minutes.. another time i used 5 shots.. couldn't get an erection. but i realized i was having performance anxiety. finally after a while i got an erection (6/10) and was able to have sex. once i realized i wasn't coming i relaxed and had sex for like 10 minutes. it was great. Next time i did 2 shots..it was supposed to be a quicky that turned in to 10 minutes of hard sex dogie style. however, they have been times i have used it and i have ejaculated in a couple of minutes.

To be honest i've had better results just having a couple of drinks.. (scotch for me thanks) and being relaxed. not thinking about coming. still mindful of the breathing.. that is whats helped me. problem is that that first couple of minutes you cannot think about anything else other than not trying to ejaculate. so, that's how i've been able to have sex.. trying not to come. well i'm tired of it. I want to enjoy sex again for what it used to be.

So Ive decided to get serious about it once and for all. to do so, Ill start this log, to hold myself accountable of the training.

I should mention that i came to this site in search of penis growth.. I started at 7.5 length and 5 girth.. after a couple of months i turned 8.0 length now but still 5 girth. so, i know that following the advise in these forums ill see results. (these was done about a year ago and I stopped due to not finding the time)

I have been trying edging.. i am now able to masturbate for about 10 minutes. (have to stop twice) but i always aim to not orgasm.
I tell you, it does not translate to sex.

SO, I took the plunge and i ordered the Fleshlight.

Ill start the PreE90 and use the fleshlight. I will log my training and im positive i can overcome the PreE demon that hunts me.


Hopefully this will help someone else as well.

[incogneeetoe Moderator Member of the Month Sept 2017*Special Appreciated Moderator Nov. 2021* PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close incogneeetoe]

ok here we go...

forward in time.. now i'm married couple of kids.. that first shot and quick recovery doesn't work any more. now what I should have done many many many years ago I have to do now. only that now is harder.

As we get older and life intrudes it becomes more difficult.
But it is possible to get that short refractory time back. After years of PE training I stay hard after sex and ejaculation. 10, even 15 minutes after.

Having sex with my wife is now become a "How long can you last before ejaculating" exercise.

she is not aware of my struggle because i could usually last between 5-7 mins.. but is not sex. is just me trying not to come.

This is the struggle. Best to tell the wife and get her in on the training. Edging with your wife will help a lot.

I'm writing all of this because i have already figured something out.. there is no quick fix. Believe me I tried...

There is no good quick fix. Training will get you there. And other things are important: diet, exercise, mental attitude.

So Ive decided to get serious about it once and for all. to do so, Ill start this log, to hold myself accountable of the training.

I should mention that i came to this site in search of penis growth.. I started at 7.5 length and 5 girth.. after a couple of months i turned 8.0 length now but still 5 girth. so, i know that following the advise in these forums ill see results. (these was done about a year ago and I stopped due to not finding the time)

This is the opposite of my journey, I came for the PreE and transitioned into PE. They work well together.
Having a healthy erection is very good. And, for me, EQ impacts on PreE. If my EQ is low going in, then I ejaculate faster.

I have been trying edging.. i am now able to masturbate for about 10 minutes. (have to stop twice) but i always aim to not orgasm.
I tell you, it does not translate to sex.

It can. It helps if you edge in sex.
Good luck to you.

[elguevo Member Find all posts View Profile Close elguevo]

It can. It helps if you edge in sex.
Good luck to you.[/QUOTE]


Hey incogneeetoe,
Thank you for your comments.
However, I feel like all i do during sex is Edge... Problem is that all i'm thinking about even before sex begins is: Try not to come.. try not to come. How frustrating !!
I have had times that i've gotten a great sexual session. like in the mornings.. after the first couple of minutes i see i haven't orgasm, so i relax and then go at it. a good 10 minutes ill say. But i'm ready for the Pre90 and im positive that ill make progress.
BTW, you say you combined both PreE and PE. could you share what routines and your training schedule and your success story ?

Thanks again.

[elguevo Member Find all posts View Profile Close elguevo]

Starting mt PreE90 on 09/26. if i start today by 01/01/20 ill have completed 90 days and i should have improved my PreE.

Week 1 (Wednesday 09/26)


When describing your masturbation habits consider:

• How long does it last?
• Usually about 10 mins. I do have to control my breathing and try and fight Involuntary Kegels.
• Do you use lube?
• No Lube. I perform it either in bed or in the shower, but no lube.
• Do you use a fleshlight?
• No Fleshlight yet. Just ordered one for training.
• Is your pelvic floor tight or loose ?
• I feel like is not tight. I could be wrong.
• Do you have involuntary kegels?
• Yes, all the time.
• Which part of the penis is the most sensitive? (Glans, frenulum, other ?)
• Frenulum
• What body positions do you masturbate in?
• Laying in Bed, standing on the shower or sitting down.
• Describe your breathing. Describe your overall muscle tension. Describe your sexual thoughts.
• Breathing is fast. just thinking about getting aroused gets my breathing fast. I do feel anxious. I don't feel muscle tension. sexual thoughts are mental images of times I have had great sex with my wife. however at times to get an erection i have mental images of times I have had great sexual encounters with other women like threesomes or so.
• Do you ejaculate every time you masturbate?
• Not every time. I stop at around 10 mins right before PONR. if I loose the battle I ejaculate but i always aim to stop and not ejaculate.
• Do you watch porn?
• I used to. Not any more. maybe a little over 6 months I haven't watched porn.

When describing how you have sex consider:

• How long does it last?

About 5-7 mins

• Is your pelvic floor tight or loose?

I think its loose.

• Do you have involuntary kegels?

Yes, All the time.

• Are the glans, frenulum, or other areas of the penis highly sensitive?

Frenulum most sensitive.

• What positions do you have sex in? What position is the easiest and most difficult when having sex?

missionary, she laying on her stomach and im on top, she laying on her side and im from behind on my knees, doggy style. etc. most difficult when she rides me (cowgirl) very hard not to ejaculate.

• Describe your breathing. Describe your overall muscle tension. Describe your sexual thoughts.

breathing is fast. im constantly trying to adjust it. I find that if i can keep a rhythm of one short inhale and 3 short exhales I can keep myself from ejaculation. no muscle tension i think, sexual thoughts are all over the place. first i think about times we had great sex that gives me a good arousal and gets the dick going, but then i try and think about stupid stuff (baseball stats) to keep myself from ejaculation.

• What are your body and mind doing during foreplay? Are you highly aroused by the time you start intercourse?

Foreplay has become hit or miss. most times no foreplay. i actually just said that to my wife. sex has become me trying to get hard and then going in. however the times we have had foreplay im not getting an erection while doing foreplay. I feel aroused but i have so much performance anxiety i don't get an erection. My body feels tense.

[elguevo Member Find all posts View Profile Close elguevo]

Interesting bit.. Today I saw my doc.. he asked if i was still having anxiety issues... I then told him I now have sexual performance anxiety as well. First time i told him i was experiencing Pre E. He chuckled and said you are not alone. a lot of men in same boat...
he then said, I could put you on Lexapro. its a medication for depression and anxiety but as a side effect it helps with Pre E.

Truth is it sounded very appealing, but I declined. I figured that will be only a bandage as the desensitizing sprays.. Told him I will think about it and let him know in 90 days.
I really believe that with the proper retraining we can all beat this Pre E.

Good luck to all of us and lets get this monkey off our backs !!

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Ok so now back to training.

as my first day yesterday I started with the Tennis ball massage.
I sat on it for about 15 mins and also rolled it from time to time between anus and balls.
It didn't feel painful at all and i could have kept going.

Big mistake. All day i was having pain in that area. dull and uncomfortable pain. (does that means my pelvic floor is tight ??)

so, if you are starting with the tennis ball massage, limit the time you sit on it. and then progress.
Today I sat on it for about 15 mins again but no pain.
Next time ill try to go for 20 mins and so on..

[incogneeetoe Moderator Member of the Month Sept 2017*Special Appreciated Moderator Nov. 2021* PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close incogneeetoe]

However, I feel like all i do during sex is Edge... Problem is that all i'm thinking about even before sex begins is: Try not to come.. try not to come. How frustrating !!

I still do that. I have performance anxiety before going in. Even though I have had the PreE under control for a while now.
This is where mediation and yoga help.

I have had times that i've gotten a great sexual session. like in the mornings.. after the first couple of minutes i see i haven't orgasm, so i relax and then go at it. a good 10 minutes ill say. But i'm ready for the Pre90 and im positive that ill make progress.
BTW, you say you combined both PreE and PE. could you share what routines and your training schedule and your success story ?

Thanks again.

I have a thread where I go through stuff.
Routines start on page 5

https://www.pegym.com/forums/progres...tml?highlight=

[elguevo Member Find all posts View Profile Close elguevo]

Hello everyone,

Just an update on my log.

Since i started back on 09/23/19 I have been edging. ill say about 10 mins of masturbation. No lub and a firm grip. I have to stop about 3 times to achieve 10 mins.

something interesting happened on .

Wednesday 10/02

That day I was not able to control the edging. I felt like the orgasm was right on the tip of my dick as soon as i started. Like in 15 secs i was ready to ejaculate.
tried multiple times until I couldn't hold it and ejaculated.
So i went for it again, and again ..a bout 30 secs in i was ready to ejaculate.. tried multiple times, but i failed.
I also was having multiple Involuntary kegels. Those are annoying !!
Don't really know why that happened but here are 2 things that happened the day before that could be the culprit.

- During my regular workout in the gym on the day before i performed some reverse crunches. the top front part of my legs, (the area around my groin but on the legs) felt sore all day. I wonder if that caused my pelvic floor to get tightened, and therefore the IK, and the quick to ejaculate.

- That night before i went drinking with some friends. I only had 3 drinks but i did feel like i had a lot. haven't been drinking in a long time so my alcohol tolerance has gone down. Question is, did the alcohol the day before play a part on the quick to ejaculate and the IK ?

I don't really know.

Ill see if this happens again.

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quick update..

so tonight (Wednesday 10/02) My girl wanted to please me. She wanted to massage legs due to pain from reverse crunches. so she grabbed some oil and started giving me an amazing had job. it felt good. EQ was 6/10. this lasted for about 5 mins, and so i was confident we could have sex.
WRONG !!
I started with some light foreplay on her, and then as soon we started having sex I was at PONR.
stopped for 30 secs.. Tried again. PONR
stopped again..30 secs.. PONR.
stopped a third time. PONR.
she said, dont fight it. let yourself orgasm and enjoy it. so I did.

OF course i told her it felt good. But it was not good. Felt like a failure. I said not gonna beat myself over this. Ill go to sleep and try again tomorrow.

[elguevo Member Find all posts View Profile Close elguevo]

Thursday 10/03



So, this morning I had sex. Using the regulating my breathing technique I lasted 10 mins, 3 different possitions but no banging, just slow movements. (Those are the hardest) Then I allowed myself to ejaculate. Not a bad session. EQ was about 7/10. again my mind wanted to think about something stupid but i kept saying just think about the moment. just allow yourself to feel the pleasure and see her pleasure. mind wants to drift as to not come, but i am trying to retrain my mind as well.
OK, today after one week of my PreE90 I received my Fleshlight. Gotta tell you it felt weird to use a device on my dick, but i said hey.. whatever needs to be done to get rid of this PreE !!

first thing i did is look up a video on that porn site of a fleshlight. Found a girl using a fleshlight on some guy. so, she lubed the dick and the fleshlight and used it for about 10 mins. I said, ok lets go for it.

First time i tried it, I could only do: . I was already at PONR.
10 movements (movement = 1 full stroke.. up and down)
Took it out. waited about a minute.. tried again.
15 movements.
waited abut 40 secs
30 movements
waited about 30 secs
60 movements.
I continued for about 20 mins of 60 movements and wait 30 secs. but then after 20 mins..
Back to 10 movements..
wait 30 secs then
30 movements.
for the next 5 mins i was only able to do 30 movements. about 25 mins in i regained control and went back to
60 movements
wait 30 secs.
Just 5 more mins of that. I stopped at 30 mins total. No ejaculation.
It felt good to complete the routine without ejaculating even though i had to stop so many times.
But, even if I ejaculate.. its ok, just try again.. and again. I will not fail at this.

As a note, I tried slow movements, and then some I will do fast movements. Slow movements are definitely harder.
I have to say my arousal level was pretty high and my EQ was about 8/10. couldn't believe i was so hard and still able to perform the routine.

Ah, something i think its very important. When I started and i felt at PONR right way i know i needed to control my self.
So, I kept saying stay in the moment..DO NOT THINK about baseball stats. just think about the feeling and how pleasurable it will be for my girl.
Also, the only way I can achieve this was to regulate my breathing. same technique i use in sex. one short inhale two quick and short exhales.

Sex in the morning and fleshlight training in the afternoon. not bad.

I will continue my stamina training and ill update my log.

[elguevo Member Find all posts View Profile Close elguevo]

FRIDAY 10/04

Well the first day was good with the fleshlight. second day not so good.

could not do more than 30 strokes before i was already at PONR.
rested for 60 secs
45 strokes
rested for 60 secs
60 strokes
rested for 60 secs
60 strokes...

finally lost my battle at 13 mins. feel defeated, but tomorrow is another day.
EQ 7/10


SATURDAY 10/05

10 strokes
rested 30 secs
15 strokes
rested 60 secs
50 strokes
rested 60 secs
60 strokes
rested 60 secs

finally lost battle at about 10 mins.
Tomorrow is another day.

EQ 6/10

SUNDAY 10/06

rest from fleshlight.

Had sex with my girl. ejaculation came in at about 3 mins, but of course I had already made her orgasm with oral sex just in case. urrgg !! who is this guy ? im tired of this issue. so frustrating !!


MONDAY 10/07

trying something new. using fleshlight standing up.

30 strokes

rested 60 secs.

this time instead of counting strokes im trying to just go for 1 minute of non stop pumps in to the flesh light.

60 secs pumping,
60 secs resting.
60 secs pumping (can barely make it to 60 secs)
60 secs resting.

EQ 7/10
lost battle at about 9 mins..
Arrghh !! frustrating. Tomorrow is another day.

TUESDAY 10/08


30 secs pumping while standing up
60 secs rest
45 secs pumping
60 secs rest
60 secs pumping
60 secs rest

EQ 7/10
Finally lost battle at about 6 mins. I feel like every day i'm doing worst. Am I regressing ?
anyways I'm fully committed. tomorrow is another day.

WEDNESDAY 10

no fleshlight today.

[RooddePanda Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close RooddePanda]

FRIDAY 10/04

Well the first day was good with the fleshlight. second day not so good.

could not do more than 30 strokes before i was already at PONR.
rested for 60 secs
45 strokes
rested for 60 secs
60 strokes
rested for 60 secs
60 strokes...

finally lost my battle at 13 mins. feel defeated, but tomorrow is another day.
EQ 7/10


SATURDAY 10/05

10 strokes
rested 30 secs
15 strokes
rested 60 secs
50 strokes
rested 60 secs
60 strokes
rested 60 secs

finally lost battle at about 10 mins.
Tomorrow is another day.

EQ 6/10

SUNDAY 10/06

rest from fleshlight.

Had sex with my girl. ejaculation came in at about 3 mins, but of course I had already made her orgasm with oral sex just in case. urrgg !! who is this guy ? im tired of this issue. so frustrating !!


MONDAY 10/07

trying something new. using fleshlight standing up.

30 strokes

rested 60 secs.

this time instead of counting strokes im trying to just go for 1 minute of non stop pumps in to the flesh light.

60 secs pumping,
60 secs resting.
60 secs pumping (can barely make it to 60 secs)
60 secs resting.

EQ 7/10
lost battle at about 9 mins..
Arrghh !! frustrating. Tomorrow is another day.

TUESDAY 10/08


30 secs pumping while standing up
60 secs rest
45 secs pumping
60 secs rest
60 secs pumping
60 secs rest

EQ 7/10
Finally lost battle at about 6 mins. I feel like every day i'm doing worst. Am I regressing ?
anyways I'm fully committed. tomorrow is another day.

WEDNESDAY 10

no fleshlight today.

Dear Elguevo,

At the moment I am also following the PreE90 course and training with a fleshlight and I experience the same problem. For me it feels like everything is getting worser everyday too. I think the anxiety that it wend bad yesterday is having impact on the next day. We must stay vigilant and focussed. I believe we both can overcome our problem for good and eventually learn to last as long as that we want but it takes time and mental believe. Just keep on training and it will get better in due time. Results will come.

Let's beat this premature ejaculation and learn to give performances few man only can!

[upuratinario Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close upuratinario]

All I can read is strokes, strokes strokes, edging, fleshlight, sex.
Why are you not doing any yoga?
If you look at logs from the past, yoga was crucial in stretching the PF.

[bball33 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bball33]

All I can read is strokes, strokes strokes, edging, fleshlight, sex.
Why are you not doing any yoga?
If you look at logs from the past, yoga was crucial in stretching the PF.

I agree. Yoga and controlled breathing is key. Edging is dangerous if not done correctly. Without proper breathing it engages the sympathetic nervous system so then it's a dopamine rush the brain craves and then chaser effect. Totally opposite. We want the parasympathetic system engaged which allows for great sensations but not the dopamine rush. In the beginning I found less edging to be better and practice touch with correct breathing and relaxed PF. Edging is a drug to the brain is not done properly. Also don't edge to 'train". Edge to enjoy the sensations and practice controlled breathing. Say to yourself that was nice and get on with the day.

[elguevo Member Find all posts View Profile Close elguevo]

ok, here we go with another update:

Thursday 10/10

This time i tried standing up and quick thrusts. not able to count the thrusts, but i timed them instead.
30 secs thrust
60 secs rest
60 secs thrust (barely make it to 60 secs.. some times 55 secs or even 50)
60 secs rest
did this for about 11 minutes but at this point i was just glad i didn't ejaculate even though I was right at PONR.
at the end did not ejaculate.
EQ 8/10

Friday 10/11

No Fleshlight training but I did have sex.

afternoon sex, wasn't really thinking about it. it was spontaneous.

It lasted a good 10 minutes.. there was some hard pounding and also some soft movements.
Once she reached her orgasm i ejaculated.
I was trying not to ejaculate but it wasn't much of a struggle as always.
I did not allow my mind to wonder and stayed in the moment while controlling my breathing.
No deep breaths, just 1 quick inhale and 2 quick exhales.
EQ 7/10

Saturday 10/12

Had sex in the morning. again lasted a good 10 minutes. this time it was slow deep penetration sex. I find this to be harder to achieve as its easier to come to PONR.
Same principle.. trying to stay in the moment. just seeing looking at her and not letting my mind think about something else not to orgasm.
Once again, not a struggle but i did have to stop maybe twice.
Is the training working ? Have to say it was good.

Sunday 10/13
Flesh training
Back to seating down training .
I went about 2-3 minutes of quick up and down and then 60 secs rests.
about 2 minutes thrusts
60 secs rests.
at about 15 minutes it was very hard to come down from PONR.
so i got up went back to about 40- 60 secs of slow thrusts while standing up..
then i was able to get back up to 2 minutes of quick thrusts and 60 secs rest

at about 25 mins in, I was about 8/10 EQ or maybe even 9/10.
.
At this point I allowed myself to ejaculate. 25 mins i figured i deserved it.
Im actually surprised I was able to last that long.
What does it mean ?
I hope this thing is working and Im making progress on my PReE issue.

Question:

Now, I don't think i have a thick penis ( 5.5 inches around) but find that the fleshlight is tight even though i use plenty of lube. even the meat part comes off the plastic outer shell and i keep having to fix it.
Is anyone experiencing same issue ?
do i have a defective fleshlight ?
I have seen videos of girls using fleshlight on guys and they just slide in and out, so i dont know what to think.

please let me know any other fleshlight users out there.

Thanks

[elguevo Member Find all posts View Profile Close elguevo]

Yet another update:

Monday 10/14

No training.

Tuesday 10/15


Back at it again.
When i started my libido wasn't high.. but i am fortunate that i can get an erection without too much effort.

I started with my hand and couple of minutes later used the fleshlight.

This time i went for 5 minutes, while sitting down. not fast, not slow.. just normal speed i guess of strokes with fleshlight.
I stopped at 5 minutes not cause I was at PONR .. i could have gone more but because i needed to apply more lube.

applied lube for a minute and at minute 6 started again.
went for 6 more minutes. and so at minute 12:30 I stopped. something came up and had to leave. but I could have kept going. wasn't at PONR.
EQ 7/10

points i take from this:
-Stayed in the moment. not trying to think about something else.
just using my imagination of being with my wife.
-control breathing.. this time 2 quick inhale 1 quick exhale.

there were a couple of Involuntary Kegels. So, i will just do a full exhale and the IK will go away. one time it did not, so i just stopped for like 5 secs and it went away.

I don't know that this is the cure of this PreE nonsense but i tell you, just last week i couldn't do more than a couple of strokes on the fleshlight and today im going a full 5 minutes.

let me address the previous comments:

in my 20s I was fully immersed in Karate.. i could kick pretty high and even do splits on the floor. I Think my PF was pretty loose yet I still had issues with that first ejaculation as it will come right away. I was having lots of sex, multiple partners and so ill just have a quick ejaculation and then last for as long as i wanted.

Then in my early 40's i used to do lots of Yoga. to the point of completing p90x yoga and being able to do yoga with my wife. she is a yoga teacher. she always commented how loose my hips were cause of some of the stretches i was able to accomplish. and yet this PreE will still haunted me.
Funny shit, there were days we would have sex and you will think there was no issue. could go for a good 1/2 hr on that first one.
This is the reason she doesnt think i even have this problem.

So in my case, i dont think its so much a PF issue. more of a bad training in my first sexual experiences and this performance anxiety that i'm struggling with.

having said that I should mention 3 NEW things I have been doing:

first, last week I stopped taking the multivitamins. (someone mention i should try and see what happens)
second: I have been doing a Groin stretch at the gym. basically you sit on this chair and have the bottom of your feet together while pulling yourself up using this handle bars in front of the chair. do it for 60 secs, 2x. Kind of like bound lotus pose.
third: every time I sit at my desk i do about 15 mins of the tennis ball massage.

Maybe is a combination of everything, but i really do believe the breathing is the number one thing. at least in my case.

I did ask my wife that we do Yoga together again, but did not tell her why. LOL !!!


BTW: this is my new mantra:

THRUST THE PROCESS

[Boricua Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Boricua]

last week I stopped taking the multivitamins. (someone mention i should try and see what happens)

Thanks a lot for making the test. If you feel that it made a difference please share it here:

https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...aculation.html