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[forthebest]

UPDATE 21/01/2020

So i'm into my 9th week since starting my routine, with 2 weeks between christmas where i didn't do anything.

Stretching/yoga : i've been doing my stretching/yoga every day except for sunday, there isn't really anything to say about it except i can now touch my toes and i feel alot better. I also breathe throughout the day with my belly and i can really feel the difference

APT exercises : I have stopped doing these exercises since about 3 weeks because my left outer knee hurts like hell everyday and i think it might be something to do with these exercises. It's pretty anoying as i could feel a great stretch for my back. As i have stopped the APT exercise i have also stopped going to the gym for the same reason and also stoped my ab exercises as i can't motivate myself to do them because they were incorperated into my APT exercises, but i will start again because I know it will help.

Massage : Doing the ball massage every day at work by just sitting on a sort of lacrosse ball, my chair is quite spungy so it's not to hard.

RK : This is maybe where i feel the biggest improvement, i do them everyday going to work, i blow up my belly and then push down and forward, like i'm trying to blow air into my penis, i get the feeling that i am nearly going to wet myself, and i think that is the sensation that you have to have to know that you are doing it right.
I can feel also when doing this if my pelvic floor is loose or tight because when it is tight i can't get that sensation of wanting to pee.

Edging : Emprovement ! For the last 2 weeks i have been trying my best to find time/privacy to put more session in. I can now last about 4/5 mins before hitting that PONR and i cum every 3rd session.
My routine is to once erect, to count my strokes to 100, and then change position, lying on back, standing up thrusting, on knees thrusting, sitting, missionary etc ... Lying down and standing up thrusting is the easiest and the hardest is missionary as i'm putting tension on my body to keep me in position.
I have also been working on my RKs when i get to the PONR, i try imaging that i'm pushing down and forward and that i visualise my pelvic floor going down, once i feel that it has loosen up I start again.

Mediatation : I try to do mindful meditatation about 2/3 times a week

Sex : So sex is bad, I even find it is worst than when i started my routine, it's pretty much bam bam and that's it, at least before starting i could go for maybe 30sec to 1 min, but now as soon as i get in i can feel the urge to com. And to top that off, i am finding it harder to get an erection everytime, a few times it pretty much doesn't even get to 70% erect. I don't really know why how or what is going on and it is very demotivating ! I never had problems to get erections before, so it's starting to play on my mind and i'm asking myself is it because of my routine, is it because i'm so focused on beating it that it is having the reverse effet... I dunno it just pisses me off !
Is this normal, is this part of the reprogrammation routine, does some people go through somehting like this while they are trying to retrain the body and reflex ?

I also have started doing for the last 3 weeks PE exercises, i figuered that it can help me get more attuned with my dick and also help me relax my pelvic floor, my routine is in the shower so i warm up before and after, 30 sec stretch in every direction, 100 side to side stretch, 50 jelqs and 50 vjelqs, i don't do any kegels and i focus on having my pelvic floor relaxed while doing them, I do the exercises 5 days with 2 days off. Could this be the cause of getting me erect ?

To try and sort out the problem of cumming straight after first penetration i am thinking of maybe buying a fleshlight, up until now I thought i could get by without one, but after exploring thought internet and reading alot of reviews, I think this might be very helpful for me. I was thinking of either getting the STU or the Fleshlight Flight, I didn't want to buy one at first because i really didn't know where i could hide it and how to dry it, but if it can help me i will find a way. I think i would prefer to get the Flight than the STU because it's smaller, less flashy and apparently easier to dry but if i get the Flight would it be able to help my stamina as good as the STU ?

Any advise, comments or even a kick in the ass to keep me motivated would be very appreciated.

Thanks.

[forthebest]

UPDATE 01/05/2020


Hi all, hope everyone doing well. It's bien a while since I last did a update.

So i stopped doing my routine at the end of janurary because I believe i had a runner's knee so my left knee hurt like hell most of the time.

Since then I have still looked at the forum and continued to read up about Prep. And since the start of lock down here so the 16 of March I have restarted my routine.

This is what I do :
Start of the morning. I do
10/20 foam rollers on :
the top of both thighs
on each side of the thigh
back of legs and back of knees

Abs
15 sit ups
10 leg raises
10 hollow bodysuit
10 vertical crunches
10 push ups
30 sec planks

Stretches
Each stretch I do a count or 5 debut belly breaths with a light RK so each breath I'm pushing the breath towards my PF.
Lie on back with legs up
Supta Baddha Konasana
Frog stretch on the back
Deeper frog stretch hands on bottom of feet from the outside
Baby pose
Supine pelvic floor stretch
Hip Stretch, leg 90 degres with other leg on top of leg, then i tip my hips to the ground to have my foot on the ground in the same position, i do this both sides. I rock to side to side with my legs opening side to side like a book.
Wind shield wiper my legs.
Cat Cow
Cobra (i do 10 small RK to feel the stomack muscles stretch)
Puppy pose
Hindi squat on my back with my feet on the wall, (count of 10 small RK)
Hindi squat (i do this for 8/ 10 mins with light RK and droping my pelvic floor on each exhale while holding the RK)
Butterfly stretch
Pigeon stretch 30s each leg
hurdle stretch 30s each leg
Forward fold 30s
Laijin stretch 1 min each leg
I finish with a 1/2 mins and RK meditation.


Penis stretching In the shower in the shower :
30s down, left, right, up, below left cheek, right cheek and forward. I helicopter for a count of 10 between each stretch
Then 100 side to side.
50 jelqs + 50 V jelqs
While doing my penis stretches I make sure my PF is relaxed and do a light RK.

Edging routine :
In the shower/bath after stretching i edge. I edge with a FL monday to friday for a round 15 to 20 mins.
I use lube to get an erection slowly it takes about 2 mins then I start by standing up and with the FL and then try and do 100 strokes sometimes I get to it sometimes and sometimes not. If I do get to PONR before I stop relax with a hard RK and then continue. After I try and do as many thrusting movements as I can ... I get to about 30/40 before hitting PONR stop and start again.
Then I lie down knees bent because the bath is not big enough and do another count of 100 sometimes I try and go to 200 sometimes i can get to PONR before and I stop relax and start again.
I change about 2/3 times between on my back and standing up.
I finish with trusting movements by placing my FL against the wall and just trusting into the fleshlight. This i can do about 10 times before PONR, so it's quite frustrating when i can go for about 100 standing up with out moving to just about 10 thrusting like this.
I ejaculated 1 in 3 times.

Sex : Since starting my routine i only had sex once, so i can't really say if it did anything, but it was over in 30 secs haha, so i can't say that i saw any improvement, but i think i was just nervous as it had been some time... what i can say is that it felt different and better than the FL, it was wierd after training with a FL for so long without sex. Also i was in missionary, and i rarely train in missionary, but i will be trying my best to change positions and try using the FL propped up and just trusting more, I have hopes that it will get better because when i started the FL routine on my back i could only go for 8/10 strokes. so i'll keep going.

RK : So i have been doing rks whenever i think to do them and try and have my pelvic floor relaxed throughout the day. I can expaned my PF when in flaccid, but it is alot harder to do when i'm erect. When i'm edging I do a RK on ever stroke by blowing up my belly and pushing down, I don't think i can really do that in sex because i don't think, have time in the moment to do it, ut normally that's where the training before getting into the ring comes into play. But i think i have to learn how to RK without blowing up completly my belly.

I have recently (2 days ago) had a breakthrough with how to relax my PF with RK's even more and I wanted to get a confirmation from other people who have been able to relax their PF.
SO what i'm trying now is on the inhale I try and blow up my belly back and everything in my pelvic floor, then push the air to do a front RK, and on the exhale I try and do a pelvic drop, so when i exhale i try and keep the RK in place and visulize my pelvic floor droping, before when i did RK's i would just let everything go RK and breathe, but now i try and keep the RK and not let my Pelvic floor come back up. So if you imagine the muscle that your using the RK on (the base of the penis, the part which is hard when your erect) , it gets pushed out (expand outward) and then on the exhale it gets stretch downward while still being expanded at the top, so that the whole muscle that connects the penis's base to the anus gets a stretch.
sorry I didn't use the correct muscle words, and maybe i explained it wrong, but i tried to explain it with how i imagine it.

Is this the right way to do a RK so that the pelvic floor gets looser and also the reason why it is easier to do standing up as the the pelvic floor is pointed downwards with gravity so it's easier to keep it from coming back up ?

Thanks for your answers and debates.

[Anthony_gerio]

Yes, your experience of RK is correct, it goes downward and expands at the same time. Try it on hindi squat position, you can feel its movements. Later on you can also feel it in standing or sitting positions. And you are doing a very good thing that kepping it down after exhale. Keep it there as long as you can, That's the definition of a light RK throughout the day.

Also, your sex frequency is low so it makes sense that you blow your load early. I usually last around 15-20 mins as needed in normal sex. I have not seen my gf for around a month, and after that my first sex: it was just something telling me, hey you need to cum, cum and it took me 5 min so my mind capacity got filled and I said, yup I am gonna cum. But After that first time, I have not felt that urge again. Frequency is important.

Last point, legs/glute workout is as important as ab workout, recovering your knee and starting your workout is beneficial. Check if you have flat soles, it causes runners knee more probable, maybe using some shoes that is better for flat soles if you have it.

[forthebest]

Great at least I have found confirmed that, because before what I understood was that you push out and let go afterwards. But now I should push out and hold it there when I exhale.
Yes in the hindi squat your can really feel the PF going down when you hold it, while standing up and sitting down I can feel it well as well. It's when I lie on my back and stomach when I feel it alot less because your PF wants to go up and its more difficult to feel it and control it, with practices I'll be able to get it until it becomes a second nature.

Yes frequent sex is a little problem because there wife has been so used to the 30s finish that her libido has gone well down. But as I get better it will go up.

Before getting the runners knee I was going to the gym 3 times a week doing spinning, body pump which has a lot of squats in and a lighter version of cross training. Once the lockdown here is finish I'll be going back.
Yes I have changed my shoes but I dont have flat feet. And also I was supposed to have a scanner on my knee to see what was wrong but that got cancelled aswell with the lockdown.

Thanks for the confirmation with RK. Even though it is well explained on the site I think I just misunderstood the whole process.

[forthebest]

Hi, so i have finale figured out the correct way to do RK for the last few days by expanding my stomack pushing a rk out and then doing a pelvic drop.
Today while getting erect to edge standing up I felt my PF very loose the exact same sensation as when I do a RK with a pelvic drop a sort of high pitch feeling, unfortunately it tensed up very quickly. So my question is, is this the sensation that you should be feeling the whole time while having sex or edging and will this sensation last longer as I work on my rks and keeping my PF relaxed ?
Thanks

[forthebest]

Saturday, i was doing RKs all day and then doing a pelvic drop after pushing out and I could feel a real nice long high pitch stretch in the form of a arc along my PF muscle it felt like I wanted to pee... that day I went to the toilet nearly every hour lol. But since then I can rarely feel that same high pitch stretching sensation. Is this because of all the stretching that I have been doing for the last 2 months every day, and that last saturday I implemented the stretch in my muscles so I dont feel that stretch as intense as before ? Or is it because i do it too hard too long and need to take time off ?

I ve been having sexy daily for the last 5 days and for the moment theres be no real change... maybe it's because I'm always in missionary and I should try in cow girl to see if it works better and have more time to focus on relaxing... or maybe I m just going to quickly and not taking the time with slow penetration.

Yesterday I weirdly decided to edge without the FL but with lube and with that extreme edging video on the web. (Its been since October last year that I haven edge with porn lol)
And weirdly enough I was able to last until 20 mins into the video following the rhythm of the video (it's been 2 months that I havent edged just with my hand also).
So what I learned with my session is that I can go much longer than before with my hand, and also it was much easier to have control while standing up, I think it was mainly because it was easier for me to do a light RK and keep my PF relaxed. Also I wasnt doing any thrusting. When sometimes I sat down it was alot harder though to have control.
When I thrust with the FL standing up I can only go for about 10 thrusting movements... before PONR.
Do I need to just keep practicing the thrusting to get better and then I'll be able to translate it to sex ?
Thanks

[forthebest]

I think I have lost the ability to do RK and relax my PF, last saturday I managed to really get the hang of doing them correctly but since then I can feel my PF really tight and I cant get the same sensation that I had... why could this be, has other people experienced a moment where everything just got clenched up and even with all the stretching and relaxing they cant get it relaxed again?
Maybe I did it too much and over worked the muscles ? Maybe I have to do more cobra stretches to stretch the stomach muscles ?
Thanks for any answers.

[Pegasus]

Hmm so there seems to be some issue with muscle action reinforcing pf tension during sex and indeed fl training .

I would like you to look at your edging training , I will send a link to a thread I would like you to read .

In regard to muscle tension in the pelvic region you seem to tighten up easy . Do you think this is down to you being a runner or do you suspect some underlying issue (eg apt) as the main cause ?

You can pm me if you need.

[Pegasus]

https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...tml?highlight=

[forthebest]

Yes i can feel that it has tightened up since last weekend, and that just as soon as I was able to loosen it up and now even with all the stretching I can't get it loose again. After doing an analyse of my pelvic floor i find that the tightness is coming from the back of my PF floor just under de tail bone. Because I can still feel a little bit of expansion in the front RK but the back and the middle won't drop on the exhale, and even though last saturday I could feel a really good stretch on the whole of my PF. But since then I have not been able to feel it again.

I'll explain what I feel in different kind of positions, for the pelvic floor I'll dived it into 3 different areas, the front, middle and back.

When I'm in hindi squat I can expanded the front but not as much as before but when I want to do a pelvic drop while holding the front RK I can feel the back drop a little bit but it remains stubborn and the middle wont move at all.

While standing I can expaned the front less than in the hindi squat but I can still feel it expaned a little. But the middle wont move and the back I find it very tight !

Living down on my back with my legs bent I can feel the front expaned but the rest wont move when I try and drop the PF.

I ve got the impression that i have strained the back muscles of the PF while trying to do a front RK and dropping the PF because when I push the air into my PF for the front RK and then try and drop it o use my abs and then when I exhale try and keep the front expaned but by doing that I'm straining the back to keep it there .

Sorry it's a little bit difficult to explain the sensations and all.

I had already come across this link. But re reading gave me a few ideas... I'll PM you for more details...

Yes in regards to sex and FL training. I can feel my muscles tightening up and I cant seem to get them relaxed but when I do get them relaxed for a certain time ... 1 min or so the PONR comes even quicker... edging with the hand i have got more control than before but with the FL it was going better but i had to fight every stroke with a hard RK and tensing all my abs to be able to reach a hundred strokes ... but after doing that for 2 months I didn't really see any real gains... it has been 2 months that i have been doing stretching every day with 10 min hindi squats + the 2 months before my 1 month break and i havent seen any real advance in sex ...

About the tension, I dont think it has something to do with being a runner or apt... I had done for about 1 month before xmas the exercises for apt and I dont think I have it ... or maybe a little but the problem is that it hurt my left knee like hell. I said before that I think I have a runner's knee but after further research I think it's what we call a wipers syndrome... it has gotten alot better with all the stretches that I have been doing the last 2 months but this morning when I tried exercises for the apt I felt it starting to tingle again ... so I'm not really up to doing apt exercises ...
For the last 10 years I have been sitting at a desk working on the computer 10 hours a day and the bad masturbating in front of porn from a young age while kegeling has made me developed quite a bad case of PreE, i think I just have to keep working on it. if I wear a condom I can go longer like 3 mins but I havent put one on for a long time...

In any case I'm still not giving up but it's hard to keep the motivation up ... luckly I have had more time in lockdown to really get into a good routine. But it would be nice to see some improvement in sex. And after 2 months of solid training there must be something that I'm doing wrong to see no gains...

Thanks