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[pe_research Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close pe_research]

Hey guys,

Iīve been a long time lurker on the forum, but I think itīs time for my first post. After 2 years of studying, reading and applying different strategies for getting rid of my PE my results are nonexistent.

For that reason I want to open this thread, for all those guys (which I know exist), who are making little or next to none progress trying the ‘traditional methods’. I feel like in recent times there has been little to no experimenting with new methods/approaches to the problem.

So for those who are wondering, Iīve tried the following:

1. Taking supplements (magnesium, 5HTP, vitamins, zinc…)
2. Doing kegels (I can hold a kegel comfortably for more than 30 seconds, which should be enough).
3. Stretching PC muscles doing reverse kegels (front and back), including squatting, baby pose, lajin stretch…). Doing this I actually had problems with my EQ for days since IC muscle and BC muscle contraction aid in having a quality erection.
4. Death grip, gland squeezing and other desensitization exercises.
5. Arousal exercises: deep breathing, triangular breathing, meditation and image, sound and video stimulation
6. FL STU. And I mean fucking the damn thing not jerking off with it. And that combined with porn. With the STU I could go sometimes for 40 minutes but when the real deal came I didnīt last a minute. Actually was pretty down after this one since everyone seems to have problems lasting with the STU.

My main problem is that my results are all over the place. I have no consistency at all. One day something clicks and I can ride my STU for 40 minutes and another day I’m at the PONR after the third thrust. With a real life girl however this sucks, since if I fuck it up the first time a lot of anxiety is added (which I know is bad) and it creates a downward spiral.

A couple of notes about myself:

1. My PE is definitely not psychological since I have PreE with the STU sometimes, too. And I have had situations where I lasted a decent amount of time with a girl the first time we had sex (not many but 2 or 3 times) while being sober. On the ther hand I had countless encounters being drunk which ended embarrassingly bad for me. So I donīt think my PE is psychological, it is definitely physical. My take on the whole psychological aspect anyway, is that the anxiety or fear you have creates a physical response (tension, short breathing, increased heartrate, etc.), which results in PE. So for that reason I believe PE is 100% physical.
2. I have a bad case of scoliosis but my nervous system is definitely fine (got tested). Plus I have never had any surgery or injury in that area so we can say I have a healthy reproductive system.
3. I am a fairly healthy male, not overweight, no depression, no lack of vitamins or any other supplement, not taking any medication.
4. I donīt think it matters but who knows: I have noticed that my upper body is fairly short compared to my legs (which is aggravated by the scoliosis). Maybe some of you have noticed the same about yourselves and thereīs a pattern but I doubt it.
5. Iīm uncut.

And now I want to share with you what I noticed over time, maybe some of you can relate. After trying all of the ‘traditional methods’, which seemed to help during my edging, but failed to pass the test with the STU, not to mention a real pussy, I started wondering what went on the few times I had satisfactory sex.

I realized that in all of them the girl started off by giving me a not so pleasant BJ. Two times it was because she was not careful with her teeth and one time because my glans were irritated (probably as a result of too much edging) and the BJ just hurt a lot. In all occasions I didnīt say anything since I just met the girl and just went through the torture. But after that I could go for 20 or 30 minutes fucking hardcore and had to really try to cum.

Since I realized this, I have been trying to emulate what I did physically in those 3 occasions. My first guess was that I was just desensitized and thatīs why it worked. So I tried masturbating so bad that it hurts (do not do this) or stroking my peehole (which is fucking uncomfortable) for a couple of minutes before edging. Results were rather disappointing. It helped for a couple of minutes but then PONR kicked in rather quickly.

My next step was to try and emulate my breathing during those hurtful Bjs. And after some trying around (for weeks) I found something that kinda worked for me. Do it at the beginning of your session. And here is what I do:

1. I inhale into chest while performing stomach vacuum (if you do not what that is google it). You should feel tension in your chest since the lungs have expanded it.
2. Hold that inhale for as long as possible.
3. When exhaling, try maintaining the same body position, maintaining the tension in your inflated chest and your stomach vacuum.
4. Hold exhale for as long as possible.
5. Repeat a couple of times.
6. Let go of everything and breathe normally.

Itīs hard to explain but if you are doing it correctly you should barely be able to inhale or exhale deeply, thatīs why you canīt do that for an extended period of time. Please do not exaggerate and choke yourself to death. The goal here is just to feel uncomfortable.

I mentioned it kinda works for me, because sometimes when I use this I reach like a plateau phase where I could edge forever feeling totally in control. If you never experienced this it will feel like fucking heaven. Other times however, the effect just lasts a couple of minutes or even seconds.

I have tried this method 4 times during actual sex and one of the 4 times it actually worked. Still, I am pissed because I feel I am missing something and I canīt find it. There must be something else my body does when this method actually works. Or I have to hit the right timing I donīt know.

For those of you who havenīt found a solution yet, I would encourage you to try this out. See if this helps in any way. And if you do find it helpful letīs find that missing piece for me together

Sorry for the long post.

[Boricua Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Boricua]

Congratulations for trying to find a new way to solve this problem. That's the same thing I tried and luckily I found something that worked for me. Unfortunately my method was not the solution for others (from your post I see that you tried it). You can't imagine how frustrating was that. But there is something about your approach that I want to comment. It seems that you are trying to feel uncomfortable just to try to last longer. I know that premature ejaculation is very humiliating but I think that the point of having sex is to feel pleasure. Anyway keep trying it, maybe you can hit a spot where it works without being unpleasant. I wanted to make a suggestion for you. I don't know if you already tried it or if you can or not (because of your scoliosis) but before I had success with my method the only other thing that seemed to help was strengthening my glutes and abs. Specifically the exercises that seemed to help were hip raises with a very hard contraction at the top and dragon flags. I hope you find your way to solve this.

[DickerSchwanz Senior Member Member of the Month Sept 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close DickerSchwanz]

The natural function of the reproductive organ is to have "Premature" Ejaculation as early as possible while thrusting into the vagina.
If you don't cum you won't reproduce. It's literally one of the main reasons for your body to be alive to cum as fast as possible in as many vagina's as possible.

That's what everyone who has Pre-E needs to understand first. It's not a physiologic defect.
(It could be one if you cum everytime without penetration when dropping your pants)

From that position it's clear that any measures to avoid "coming early" are MANIPULATION!

You listed already some of them. You certainly have the theoretical knowledge.
I sense that you are pressing the matter so much that it works against you.
It's like forcing meditation to relax creating stress instead.
Your last measure is very ingenious and seems to trick the body but it also sounds like it uses a lot of energy.

Stretching PC muscles doing reverse kegels (front and back), including squatting, baby pose, lajin stretch…). Doing this I actually had problems with my EQ for days since IC muscle and BC muscle contraction aid in having a quality erection

And here you are missing something! Reverse kegel is the best and most direct way to counter pre-E.
You train countering involuntary kegels(IK) with the RK. Most Pre-E's ejaculate on the first IK they have.
You need the conscious awareness of the IK and then the ability to counter it with an RK. That is hard to do during interaction with a woman.

The reason why you got EQ problems is cause your Pelvic floor balance is out of whack.
I had a similar experience cause I was basically creating erections with my BC muscles which should work autonomously.
If you kept doing what you did it would've balanced out after some weeks.

[Anthony Gerio N Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Anthony Gerio N]

It's a simple fact that works for everyone who achieved it by these exercises here and you can ask the ones who have never had PreE. Your PF is relaxed enough and down so you do not feel the extreme sensation at first and then when you are reaching PONR you release PF mostly in the front. Very simple.
Now due to some other factors you may not have been succesful to make that release and elongation of the PF.

A very plausible cause can be that you have blind spots on your PF relaxation or never understood how to do them.

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

Yeah claims to have done "everything" and it, your first post . Nah .

Read the stickies start a log .

If you have a log post it, if not that is like step 1 so you certainly have not tried everything.

[pe_research Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close pe_research]

Congratulations for trying to find a new way to solve this problem. That's the same thing I tried and luckily I found something that worked for me. Unfortunately my method was not the solution for others (from your post I see that you tried it). You can't imagine how frustrating was that. But there is something about your approach that I want to comment. It seems that you are trying to feel uncomfortable just to try to last longer. I know that premature ejaculation is very humiliating but I think that the point of having sex is to feel pleasure. Anyway keep trying it, maybe you can hit a spot where it works without being unpleasant. I wanted to make a suggestion for you. I don't know if you already tried it or if you can or not (because of your scoliosis) but before I had success with my method the only other thing that seemed to help was strengthening my glutes and abs. Specifically the exercises that seemed to help were hip raises with a very hard contraction at the top and dragon flags. I hope you find your way to solve this.

I know everyone is different and at the end everyone must find their own method or combination of methods which work particularly for them. The reason I went for this one is because of the positive experiences I had with it during actual real sex not in a controlled edging environment.

And just to point, I just make myself feel uncomfortable for the first minute or so... after that itīs pure joy. Best sex Iīve ever had. So just to clarify: the goal is not to make sex uncomfortable rather the opposite is true.

I hit the gym regularly and train my core, but I havenīt noticed any significant effects from it to be honest.

[pe_research Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close pe_research]

The natural function of the reproductive organ is to have "Premature" Ejaculation as early as possible while thrusting into the vagina.
If you don't cum you won't reproduce. It's literally one of the main reasons for your body to be alive to cum as fast as possible in as many vagina's as possible.

That's what everyone who has Pre-E needs to understand first. It's not a physiologic defect.
(It could be one if you cum everytime without penetration when dropping your pants)

From that position it's clear that any measures to avoid "coming early" are MANIPULATION!

You listed already some of them. You certainly have the theoretical knowledge.
I sense that you are pressing the matter so much that it works against you.
It's like forcing meditation to relax creating stress instead.
Your last measure is very ingenious and seems to trick the body but it also sounds like it uses a lot of energy.




And here you are missing something! Reverse kegel is the best and most direct way to counter pre-E.
You train countering involuntary kegels(IK) with the RK. Most Pre-E's ejaculate on the first IK they have.
You need the conscious awareness of the IK and then the ability to counter it with an RK. That is hard to do during interaction with a woman.

The reason why you got EQ problems is cause your Pelvic floor balance is out of whack.
I had a similar experience cause I was basically creating erections with my BC muscles which should work autonomously.
If you kept doing what you did it would've balanced out after some weeks.

Of course I know itīs manipulation. Thatīs what we are all here for :P

I donīt feel my method uses a lot of energy since if you do it right you only have to do it once. After that you can let go completely not worrying about IKs and your focus can be elsewhere which for me is a huge relief.

Trust me I know exactly how to identify my IKs, and RKs worked for me but just for some time. After X amount of time doing an RK becomes counterproductive since it either pushes you faster towards your PONR or it can cause EQ problems, which in turn make my BC work harder to get my EQ back which creates even more EQ problems.

I am glad RKs work for you but for me they didnīt do the trick effectively. Thatīs why I went on exploring other options.

[pe_research Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close pe_research]

Yeah claims to have done "everything" and it, your first post . Nah .

Read the stickies start a log .

If you have a log post it, if not that is like step 1 so you certainly have not tried everything.

No disrespect Pegasus, but your standard copy-paste answer to almost all new threads doesnīt even deserve an answer.

[Qloz Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Qloz]

Hey guys, I can last for 10-15 minutes and can go as fast as I can but I have to stop every 3-4 minutes for like 30 seconds, is it premature ejaculation?

[pe_research Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close pe_research]

Hey guys, I can last for 10-15 minutes and can go as fast as I can but I have to stop every 3-4 minutes for like 30 seconds, is it premature ejaculation?

Medically speaking it probably wouldnīt be considered premature ejaculation. The question should be: Are you happy with your sex life? If you are and your partner is the congratulations... you have done it!

If not keep working at it

[Jay1983 Senior MemberMember of the Month Apr 2014, Sept 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Jay1983]

No disrespect Pegasus, but your standard copy-paste answer to almost all new threads doesnīt even deserve an answer.

What is this dogshit.

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

No disrespect Pegasus, but your standard copy-paste answer to almost all new threads doesnīt even deserve an answer.

You do realize Peg is probably the smartest guy on here in regard to this stuff. That's fact not fiction.

[not2big Senior Super ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close not2big]

I want him as my phone-a-friend.

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

No disrespect Pegasus, but your standard copy-paste answer to almost all new threads doesnīt even deserve an answer.

The truth may be simple and it may hurt it is still the truth .

The reason I say it often is because it is true often.

[DickerSchwanz Senior Member Member of the Month Sept 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close DickerSchwanz]

Of course I know itīs manipulation. Thatīs what we are all here for :P

I donīt feel my method uses a lot of energy since if you do it right you only have to do it once. After that you can let go completely not worrying about IKs and your focus can be elsewhere which for me is a huge relief.

Trust me I know exactly how to identify my IKs, and RKs worked for me but just for some time. After X amount of time doing an RK becomes counterproductive since it either pushes you faster towards your PONR or it can cause EQ problems, which in turn make my BC work harder to get my EQ back which creates even more EQ problems.

I am glad RKs work for you but for me they didnīt do the trick effectively. Thatīs why I went on exploring other options.

At best you reach neutral space. No RK and no IK.

If you press an RK at 10/10 you can force ejaculation(the dribble type), true.
Or if held for too long it will prevent the BC to push blood into the erection (which it does autonomously).
You counter the IK's with an RK of the same strength. That will train the Pelvic floor over time to remain in neutral.

A big problem with Pre-E is to not able to differentiate between the fraction of intensity but going from 1/10 to 10/10 without noticing 9.5/10 etc.
Same goes for the intensity of the IK's and RK's. The way you lay it out I suspect you missed that and did the RK too strongly.. but I applaud you for finding another way nonetheless. But I kind of opposed your view of finding new ways.. as there's one straight forward natural way to do it already.

Of course you can also go for DO/MMO which is the ultimate manipulation and the most savage solution to PRE-E.