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[Anthony_gerio]

It`s possible like it's possible to wiggle your ears and isolate eyebrow muscles and facial muscles
Most people don`t do it cause it has a very narrow use. Why train face muscles if you can just smile?
Great thread.

What I say is, even if for some reason your IC muscle is weak (highly not probable), there is a root cause for that. Balance your body and it gets fixed. PF develops by hip development, it doesn't develop on its own. The most unlikely scenario, you train your IC muscle and it gets ok, again the root cause which was causing it is gonna ruin it, do you want to train it until the rest of your life? in misery and weird ways? or do you want to be like normal people and train and enjoy normal stuff?
Get the balance back, then your body utilizes the right muscles till the end of your life.

[Jimmy_quick]

Do you mean stretching for example the hip flexors after leg and glute workout? It is not going to harm you if you stretch stuff mildly before you go to the bed at the day of working out, but right after? I don't see the point. And as normally, the glute stretches (for ITband) are in your routine, it is best to avoid them right after. And it is better to do the workout not preferably in the morning and more towards early evening.

Thanks, yes it is a ganeral question. What I am doing now is usually about 40 min workout, followed by 30 min stretching (yoga posses, which include hip flexors, lower back and PF muscles). And as I see it now it is not very effective. I will try next to do for example workout as you suggested, early evening and stretching a couple of hours later.
I am working on this stuff for 2 months now, and dont see progress with PreE. However my posture has drastically improved, my abs are much powerful and in better shape. The slight APT that I think is had is seems much better, at least at looking myself in the mirror. But lets see I dont give up until I have this fixed.

[venom888]

Common things:

- Tight glute Medius, tight flexors, weak adductors, weak glute Max ---> very common and even in athletes ----> PreE
- Weak glute Medius, weak glute Max, tight flexors ----> very common but not an athletics body ----> PreE as well as ED
- Weak glute Medius, tight adductors, weak glute Max, tight Flexors ---> common ----> ED ----> PreE
- Weak glute Medius, Powerful and normal functioning glute Max, loose flexors, powerful adductors -----> Delayed ejac

No offense, but I will take this with some salt haha. I definitely think all of these things are huge factors though.

For me, it's hard for me to know if I should strengthen by adductors (inner thighs) or not. It's easy to tell if you have tight flexors, it's harder to tell if something is weak. I'm not sure what normal strength is. And I don't want to strengthen them if I don't need to, as I know they're also tight.

I'm working my glutes, as I'm pretty sure they're weak, but it's also kinda hard to know if they need stretched. Sometimes I have trouble squeezing my glute, so I think that's due to tightness, but I dunno

[DickerSchwanz]

What I say is, even if for some reason your IC muscle is weak (highly not probable), there is a root cause for that. Balance your body and it gets fixed. PF develops by hip development, it doesn't develop on its own. The most unlikely scenario, you train your IC muscle and it gets ok, again the root cause which was causing it is gonna ruin it, do you want to train it until the rest of your life? in misery and weird ways? or do you want to be like normal people and train and enjoy normal stuff?
Get the balance back, then your body utilizes the right muscles till the end of your life.

Yeah that's the most direct way to get any problems with the PF solved. To get back to normal.

Obviously not everyone wants to be normal and desires to learn certain skills like people train ordinary arms sizes vs. having arms to be able to do normal arm things

The penile skill acquiring vs. solving a penile problem focus in these forums is often not clear for me no worries

[Anklepain]

Common things:

- Tight glute Medius, tight flexors, weak adductors, weak glute Max ---> very common and even in athletes ----> PreE
- Weak glute Medius, weak glute Max, tight flexors ----> very common but not an athletics body ----> PreE as well as ED
- Weak glute Medius, tight adductors, weak glute Max, tight Flexors ---> common ----> ED ----> PreE
- Weak glute Medius, Powerful and normal functioning glute Max, loose flexors, powerful adductors -----> Delayed ejac

Hi Anthony, hamstring strength is missing from this list. I remember you adviced me to workout my hamstrings before. I would like to keep things simple and follow only the list above.

[Anthony_gerio]

Hi Anthony, hamstring strength is missing from this list. I remember you adviced me to workout my hamstrings before. I would like to keep things simple and follow only the list above.

Hamstring power can reduce the quad tightness, not common in everyone. For some reasons* in many the hamstrings have a sufficient power and there's no harm in working it out as well.

I don't remember in what context I recommended hamstring workout prioritizing to you. Sometimes it can be a problem if they are too weak. And here we are talking about prioritizing, not focusing only on.

Some reasons*: when glute max doesn't do its job an extra load is upon hamstring. Sometimes the hamstring power even hide the severe weakness in the glutes. Which is a very bad thing.

[Anklepain]

Common things:

- Tight glute Medius, tight flexors, weak adductors, weak glute Max ---> very common and even in athletes ----> PreE
- Weak glute Medius, weak glute Max, tight flexors ----> very common but not an athletics body ----> PreE as well as ED
- Weak glute Medius, tight adductors, weak glute Max, tight Flexors ---> common ----> ED ----> PreE
- Weak glute Medius, Powerful and normal functioning glute Max, loose flexors, powerful adductors -----> Delayed ejac

Hello guys! First REAL small success with fleshlight+porn after 1 week training glute Max and adductors. This is what im looking for! I only need 1 small improvement then im all in!

I still feel the tightness on my pelvic floor but somehow IK doesn't bother me that much like before. It's like my PF is stronger to handle the tighness or IK.

Im going to fuck the shit out of my glute max and adductor before the next sex session. Lets see what happen. Pray for me!

[Anthony_gerio]

Hello guys! First REAL small success with fleshlight+porn after 1 week training glute Max and adductors. This is what im looking for! I only need 1 small improvement then im all in!

I still feel the tightness on my pelvic floor but somehow IK doesn't bother me that much like before. It's like my PF is stronger to handle the tighness or IK.

Im going to fuck the shit out of my glute max and adductor before the next sex session. Lets see what happen. Pray for me!

Body fucking the shit out of seems dangerous!!!

These are big muscle groups and need recovery period. Maybe you have found your muscle imbalances (Hip extension and hip adduction problems) but be careful how you proceed.
Said it before, the best approach for training a muscle group is twice per week, 3 days of rest between workouts, in each workout between 8 to 12 sets on each muscle. Then let it recover, regenerate and grow stronger.

[Anklepain]

Body fucking the shit out of seems dangerous!!!

These are big muscle groups and need recovery period. Maybe you have found your muscle imbalances (Hip extension and hip adduction problems) but be careful how you proceed.
Said it before, the best approach for training a muscle group is twice per week, 3 days of rest between workouts, in each workout between 8 to 12 sets on each muscle. Then let it recover, regenerate and grow stronger.

Do I need about 3 day recover before sex? I just had sex yesterday and it did not went well . Guys im fucked up! I just need 1-2min improvement in real sex to get the momentum go on but no.

[Anthony_gerio]

IKs, the bastard everyone dealing with PreE has nightmares about. I think this could be one of my last posts in PreE forum.

Let's take a look at this image of the PF:
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The PF connects two sides of the body together, pubic bone and coccyx.
We know that this muscle works through contractions, it means when activated, it contracts. Through contraction, it provides blood flow to the penis. When penis is stimulated, it increases the contractions in this muscle group.
We also know that higher contractions of this muscle causes ejaculation.
Now some physics, assume PF as a band between two points, if the band is narrow then the vibrations through the band is going to be much more than a thicker band with higher length. That's the difference between a developed and under developed PF. That's why people with narrow underdeveloped PF feel every vibration of from stimulation.
We have to consider that this band is not of plastic, it is made of living tissues, a muscle with a nervous system of some kind inside. An underdeveloped PF muscles get tires very fast, and a tired muscle goes into a full lengthy contraction telling the nervous system I am failing and stop using me. A lengthy contraction = ejaculation.
Sometimes this full lengthy contractions are temporary and muscle comes back out of it as it has recovered and we know this as IKs. Sometimes the muscle contracts long enough to make the ejaculation happens.
Now let's take a look at below image:

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The only solution to get out of the PreE hole is developing the PF. The issue with PF is that it can not grow on itself. It is surrounded with so many muscles groups. As can be seen in the image, glute maximus from behind, and adductor group from front are main initial points of contact with PF. Same old story, develop this muscles, they start to pull the PF, your PF start to grow (there's a mechanism here which is not necessary to explain and it is enough to know what muscles should be worked on). Grow = developed PF.

Development of glutes and adductors:
1- they need to change not only in power and nervous manners, they need to gain size to be able to create a displacement for PF.
2- When they are developed, the adductors decrease the load on flexors and the glutes relax flexors and by that, firstly, they change the mechanics of how your body moves, less dependency on lavator ani as a stabilizer and second, the relaxation of flexors results in more recruitment of glute muscles and a positive cycle starts there.