FIXED ED/PremEJ

[wipeeer]

What pegasus posted is on point! Try doing it so lightly that nothing else moves or at least it moves the least u can

[Rounder]

Thanks wipeer and Pegasus. I read what Pegasus posted and I’m gonna try this

[DickerSchwanz]

Good Stuff!

One week ago i returned to that miserable point of view or thats what i believed and searched again for that little dumb IC muscle and surprisingly i found a new post by dickerswarz or smth like that so i decided to give it a try and for 3-4 days i was trying to make the mind to muscle connection , it happened and i started working it out , not a real routine just some flexes till it gets tired.

Dicker Schwanz, german for FATDICK :P
And it can get tired fast the first times. If that happens its important to not get annoyed but to try again next day. The connection "grows" overnight.
You did good! I gave up the first time I tried to get the IC going and only got it after revisiting a year later.

If any of u try it just know that getting mind to muscle connection on IC is not that easy.Some guys say that by doing a light kegel u can feel the IC in the beggining , i made my first connection with the muscle by doing a reverse kegel followed by a real light pull focused on the area of the IC (both sides).So dont give up if u cant find the connection easily ,it's worth the try.Also i wanna thank the creators of the forum and moderators or whatever they are called for supporting us with their knowledge and experience!

Much better to use the Reverse Kegel access to get there cause while a broad "pc kegel" will engage it too, its the wrong way to get control over it.
(cause when you fully engage the IC muscles the other muscles cant be fully engaged and vice versa, its a bit like doing biceps and triceps curls same time)

I can pull it inside but I noticed that I’m flexing my butt checks in the process and a tiny flex in pc muscle. Should all muscles in the pelvic floor and butt checks be relaxed completely? You are isolating the IC muscle completely? Not even a little flex in pc muscle?

If you do a very intense IC flex the butt can open up similar to a full pelvic floor reverse kegel.
I think you`re still doing a kegel cause a normal kegel can "pull it in" too. But it will feel different.

Another hint to get the Mind-Body connection is to imagine a See-Saw inside your PF. With the leverage middle point inbetween pubic bone and anus.
The area where the IC is will go up while the butt area will go down. (sitting)
In my mind it appears like two "tuning forks" being the seats of the See-Saw, the two "legs" of the IC muscles(pulled up and together) and one the other side the left and right cheek bones(being pulled down). Which is rather accurate cause inside the two IC legs are anchored to the ischial tuberosity(basically cheek bones) so one can feel an actual pull there.

[Rounder]

What was the best position to do this for you guys? Standing, sitting, or other? Should the flex of the two lateral muscles be inside the pelvic area or just where the penis is coming out of the pelvis area(base of the penis) ? You said that the butt area just go down. You mean as it should be relaxed?

[wipeeer]

I was more comfortable sitting , try to hold a reverse kegel both front and rear and flex ur IC . i actually feel both of the lateral muscles but also something in the middle where shafts begins.

[Spoonman84]

I’ll share my experience with IC stuff. I played with IC contractions over the years and can repress ejaculatuon with it a good bit of the time. This isn’t the only way, but i found works.

What best worked for me to start was laying on my back and putting my finger on the top side of my penis where it connects to the body with light pressure to feel the contraction. What I would do is mimic the sensation of a gentle towel raise, while trying not to engage the BC.I understand a lot of it runs from the sides , but I could never get the mind body connection focusing on the sides, but could if I focused on the top of my penis. I also got to the point where I can lift my penis a considerable degree. If anybody has ever read minuteman MMO guide he mentioned the type of kegel he does to stop ejaculation in the technique part is essentially a towel raise, which is the same flex I’m doing only flaccid. I also used to do what wiper did, the “turtle contraction “ as I first thought this was how you did a normal kegel, which seemed to make it easier to do the flaccid towel lift stuff. I only keep emphasis on the flaccid towel lift thing as just for me personally it l feel differently than standard flexing penis up and down. When erect has a strong IC flex along with BC. Once i could replicate the sensation flaccid , it was hardly any BC involvement. I was basically trying to find a way to shortcut the MMO guide. Hope this helps.

[Rounder]

I can’t flex any muscle while I RK. I’m still trying to figure out how to flex this without flexing the muscle at the tail bone. That flexes the most for me. Should I see the penis retract, or this will only happen after the muscle is more trained?

[DickerSchwanz]

What was the best position to do this for you guys? Standing, sitting, or other? Should the flex of the two lateral muscles be inside the pelvic area or just where the penis is coming out of the pelvis area(base of the penis) ? You said that the butt area just go down. You mean as it should be relaxed?

Butt bulging outwards kinda.. I guess its the iliococcygeus, Pubococcygeus.

The flex is mostly happening at the mid point of the IC muscles inside the PF. (white box not blue box)
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Like the biceps is basically flexing at its midpoint..

I can’t flex any muscle while I RK. I’m still trying to figure out how to flex this without flexing the muscle at the tail bone. That flexes the most for me. Should I see the penis retract, or this will only happen after the muscle is more trained?

With a full RK it`s hard to flex any muscle in the PF. The RK just pushes the IC passively similar to as if you would flex it.
It`s easier to get to the IC by switching from an RK to the IC flex cause the RK is canceling the BC muscle out which is kind of an antagonist to the IC muscle.

[wipeeer]

Update : Morning wood returned , for 5 straight days im getting morning wood , not rock hard but still its getting better!

[Bibol]

Once the IC is located, how should it be trained for improvements in the duration of sexual intercourse? Also, how and when should it be used during sexual intercourse?