Ic experiment

[wipeeer]

Hey guys im the dude that found success on Ic flexes.I stopped working it out to research it a lil bit and watch the results/experience closely and i came across a photo

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As we can see the muscle which refers to as bulbospongiosus kinda connects with IC so a spasm in either of them can affect the other.So my logic is that a weakness in either of them uses the other one as a back up.For example tight IC spasms the bulbospongiosus which then translates to tired Bulbospongiosus which translates to premature ejaculation and erection issues.Thats why many of us couldnt hold an erection without stimulation.Stimulation makes the bulbospongiosus by contracting back up the IC which is then tightened but when u stop the stimulation thus contracting bulbospongiosus IC cant hold the erection cause of the weakness.

I wanna hear ur opinions and views , i think its a subject that can help us understand more about our pelvic floor and its a lot promising

[Pegasus]

Hmm.

[wipeeer]

Pegasus i know u are skeptical and that's something u were saying for a long time.The fact that a muscle tightness can tighten other muscles too.But i believe that if we shed some light in the mechanisms and functions of these muscles we can have great results and help a lot of people.
2 years in the forum + working out for 2 years in the gym have given me an excellent ability of mind to muscle connection .I can feel even the slightest sensation down there if i focus enough and i can pretty sure say that my imbalance is mainly on the left side of my pelvic floor.Thats where i feel most sensations and if i focus enough during masturbation i can feel that the IK starts from the spot that IC connects to Bulbo.Thats how i started doing the research and post this thread

PS We can also speculate how HF works with the info that IC traps blood inside the pennis .

[andrewvi7]

Got to say that's probably one of the clearest anatomy pics i've seen on the superficial PF layer.

Well just to shed some light on some of the basics from a paper that i've read some time ago, and it stated somewhere along the line that the IC muscle is nothing more than an 'erector' who's primary job is to pull on the base of the penis to give it the upward angle. Saying that, it also stated that while it's main job is to just erect, during a contraction/spasm of the IC, it causes a little more blood to be pushed into the penis too increasing its sensitivity. Although it is far less than what the BC muscle does, who's primary job is to literally trap blood in the penis and during contractions/spasms it really pushes a lot of blood into the penis, greatly increasing its sensitivity and driving us to climax.

Although I usually find that both muscles usually work quite in sync when it comes to contractions and spasms, but correlation does not equal to causation.

Weak BC would indeed cause erection issues due to not being able to trap blood properly, and weak IC would cause an erection that would point more horizontal rather than vertical. But wouldn't tight BC/IC give you semi-permanent erections? Possibly spasms too but i just don't see how they would become too tightin the first place?

I tend to lean away from IC/BC simply because i've noticed with myself for example, that the state of the deeper layer of the pelvic floor significantly changes the effects it has on stamina while IC/BC is untouched sort of speak.

One of the things i've noticed and done an experiment with recently was my own sitting posture. Ever since i was a kid i've done a lot of gaming and always tended to sit with both my legs crossed, and i've done that in the past few days and really felt my PF issues resurface, but instead of RKing back i left it alone out of curiosity and used an STU to edge the same evening and my PE came back just like the old days. Where as just before Xmas i spent most of my days working from my bed with my knees bent, my laptop resting on my quads and slight tension in the abs just for some natural comfort, and when my girlfriend came to spend Xmas with me I really didn't have that same tightness and the sex was a much longer endeavour with no early spasms - no PE. And thinking back on the last decade, I seem to recall that most if not all the times where PE became the strongest, was when I moved houses or something, didn't have a desk and ended up sitting cross-legged for really long periods of time.

I'm not drawing conclusions here, but it may have been one of the things that kickstarted this whole thing for me, or was at least a contributor in messing with my PF, killing the glutes, tightening the hip flexors etc on top. Though i can't find anything on the net regarding this so far, so just a thought for discussion.

[wipeeer]

Read ur reply and got intrigued.I Searched a little bit about the function of the ischiocavernosus and found this "Erection is caused by contraction of the ischiocavernosus muscle, which compresses the penis against the ischium, obstructing the blood flow through the dorsal veins. Consequently, the vascular spaces of the erectile tissue become distended with blood".

My personal experience with IC flexing is practically curing partial ed-prem ej with about 4-5 days of training.Also i noticed that it helped with pelvic floor relaxation overall and RK's were done with less effort

[Anthony_gerio]

One of the things i've noticed and done an experiment with recently was my own sitting posture. Ever since i was a kid i've done a lot of gaming and always tended to sit with both my legs crossed, and i've done that in the past few days and really felt my PF issues resurface, but instead of RKing back i left it alone out of curiosity and used an STU to edge the same evening and my PE came back just like the old days. Where as just before Xmas i spent most of my days working from my bed with my knees bent, my laptop resting on my quads and slight tension in the abs just for some natural comfort, and when my girlfriend came to spend Xmas with me I really didn't have that same tightness and the sex was a much longer endeavour with no early spasms - no PE. And thinking back on the last decade, I seem to recall that most if not all the times where PE became the strongest, was when I moved houses or something, didn't have a desk and ended up sitting cross-legged for really long periods of time.

General issue with people who think have flexor tightness and actually they have, weakness or overlengthening of Major Psoas + weak adductor magnus + high tension on hamstring (not generally tightness but maybe tightness sometimes).

[Anklepain]

One of the things i've noticed and done an experiment with recently was my own sitting posture. Ever since i was a kid i've done a lot of gaming and always tended to sit with both my legs crossed, and i've done that in the past few days and really felt my PF issues resurface, but instead of RKing back i left it alone out of curiosity and used an STU to edge the same evening and my PE came back just like the old days. Where as just before Xmas i spent most of my days working from my bed with my knees bent, my laptop resting on my quads and slight tension in the abs just for some natural comfort, and when my girlfriend came to spend Xmas with me I really didn't have that same tightness and the sex was a much longer endeavour with no early spasms - no PE. And thinking back on the last decade, I seem to recall that most if not all the times where PE became the strongest, was when I moved houses or something, didn't have a desk and ended up sitting cross-legged for really long periods of time.

Hi, do you mean sitting in lotus position when you talk about cross-legged sitting? Or sitting like a lady trying to hide her pussy from skirt opening?

working from my bed with my knees bent, my laptop resting on my quads and slight tension in the abs just for some natural comfort

Can you explain this sitting position in more detail, please? Do you mean sitting on the bed with your back against the wall and slightly bent your knee?

[DickerSchwanz]

Hey guys

Not sure about your conclusions reg pre-e but if your bulbospongiosus(BC I say) is tight then your IC can't do it's job.
Both create an erection by "firing" autonomously alternating. The BC being a bigger and stronger muscle means it can easily interfer with the IC.
They`re not really connected. It`s more like the relation of biceps and triceps. You can flex both same time but not the full range. Both help you using your arm but imagine one is super tight and acting up.. similar(not same) situation with IC and BC and the penis.

I can't engage the IC fully if I kegel the BC same time. A strong BC kegel will override my IC hold.
That's why doing RK's to stretch out all the muscles down there is the most important step or otherwise tight muscles will counter others and you get a mess.
If the IC isn`t working properly then blood will leave the penis too easy. That leads to a lot of people using their BC to get more blood into the penis but that`s a "trap" as the penis is leaking through the venous side(CC's). Arteries bring the blood in and the IC is basically shunting the veins that transport the blood out of the penis off.

I think the BC muscle out of control is the biggest culprit in the PF for pre-e as it is the one drawing in and shooting the ejac.

I guess the BC muscle out of control is the biggest culprit in the PF for pre-e as it is the one drawing in and shooting the ejac.
If you got control over your PF and know what is what then you can easily notice the BC activating and counter it with RK and IC.
Both IC and RK together are quiet powerfull countering the BC muscle.

I think theoretically if you have a tight PF then RK`s can be enough to counter muscles being all over the place. Imo should be step nr.1 before messing with IC etc.
Beyond the RK, getting control over the IC and BC, clenching and releasing it by will gives some extra power to influence your PF.

[wipeeer]

I dont know if u are pointing out something that i cant understand or ur actually almost saying the same thing about IC/BC but we disagree on the connecting part

[andrewvi7]

Hi, do you mean sitting in lotus position when you talk about cross-legged sitting? Or sitting like a lady trying to hide her pussy from skirt opening?

Yes, but without your ankles being on top of your knees. My ankles are under my knees, i can literally sit in that position for half a day at a time it's that comfortable for me.

Can you explain this sitting position in more detail, please? Do you mean sitting on the bed with your back against the wall and slightly bent your knee?

Something like this

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Not sure about your conclusions reg pre-e but if your bulbospongiosus(BC I say) is tight then your IC can't do it's job.
Both create an erection by "firing" autonomously alternating. The BC being a bigger and stronger muscle means it can easily interfer with the IC.
They`re not really connected. It`s more like the relation of biceps and triceps. You can flex both same time but not the full range. Both help you using your arm but imagine one is super tight and acting up.. similar(not same) situation with IC and BC and the penis.

I can't engage the IC fully if I kegel the BC same time. A strong BC kegel will override my IC hold.
That's why doing RK's to stretch out all the muscles down there is the most important step or otherwise tight muscles will counter others and you get a mess.
If the IC isn`t working properly then blood will leave the penis too easy. That leads to a lot of people using their BC to get more blood into the penis but that`s a "trap" as the penis is leaking through the venous side(CC's). Arteries bring the blood in and the IC is basically shunting the veins that transport the blood out of the penis off.

I think the BC muscle out of control is the biggest culprit in the PF for pre-e as it is the one drawing in and shooting the ejac.

I guess the BC muscle out of control is the biggest culprit in the PF for pre-e as it is the one drawing in and shooting the ejac.
If you got control over your PF and know what is what then you can easily notice the BC activating and counter it with RK and IC.
Both IC and RK together are quiet powerfull countering the BC muscle.

I think theoretically if you have a tight PF then RK`s can be enough to counter muscles being all over the place. Imo should be step nr.1 before messing with IC etc.
Beyond the RK, getting control over the IC and BC, clenching and releasing it by will gives some extra power to influence your PF.

Are you sure you got that right in terms of what IC/BC's muscles do?

I haven't read anywhere in the papers refereeing to them as opposing muscles like biceps vs triceps, more that they just have different functions altogether. Like the IC being called the "erector" muscle as it literally pulls on the base of the penis to erect and give the penis its angle, the blood trapping is extremely marginal as that's primarily done by the BC including the blood trapping and the production of force to push the semen out by force? Also not sure if they really do fire autonomously, as when approaching PONR i personally feel the both the BC and IC firing together, it's the IC muscle that gives that little jolt upwards when IKs start kicking in, but do correct me if I'm wrong