Biofeedback pelvic floor muscle retraining with Kegels and not RK

[forthebest]

Hi, happy new year everyone, i've been trying not to come on the forum for a while because I had to stop thinking about PreP 50% of the day, I don't think it was helping. I've stoped all routines (except of course just keeping a PF relaxed) because it was getting me no where and making things worst than better, in my mind and in my dick.

I have recently found a pelvic floor specialist that specialises in PreP but with using a BiofeedBack machine.

In the sessions i would have 2 sensors stuck under my balls and one on my knee and i would basicly play Pacman with kegels to go up and down trying to follow a line as best as i can. Before starting the exercise the machine would measure, when their is no tension in my PF and then i would do a really hard kegel to get another reading when their is tension/contraction. This will allow the machine to have a high and low reading for the machine to follow.

The goal is to re-train the neurones to decide when their is a contraction of the PF instead of it happening as a IK, and also by doing a hard contraction and letting go, you can get your pelvic floor to relax easier.
For the moment i have only done 1 session. In the session i have tried making the tension sometimes go down lower, faster and deeper with RKs but it was less affectif than doing first a Kegel and then just letting all the tension go. The good thing is you can see the tension going up and down.

After talking with the specialist, who i think had PreP when younger and also dabs in tantric sex. He tells me that all the stuff about muscle imbalance, posture and doing RK is not the way to go and not really affectif in regaining control he gave me the exemple that most people that have no trouble lasting, have muscle imbalance, don't do exercises and they are still fine, why because they don't have IK.
He says though his studies, knowledge, his own experiences and the biofeedback training to improve control and stop PreP. The best way to control the IK is by installing your own rythme of Kegels to relax the pelvic floor instead of a RK.

The way i see it he is telling me instead of defending against IK, i have to attack them and make them my own. the best defence is to attack as we say.
With the help of the biofeedback machine monitoring the tension in my PF, the different programs and his guidances, i will be able to re-program and gain control over the neurones that for the moment have no control over the IK because no one is controling them.

I've only done 1 session for the moment, so I can't really give my opinion, but his explications do seem logic, but then again what's on the forum seems logic as well. But after a year and a half of constant routine, training and trying etc... my situation has gotten worst than better so I'm trying other things.

What do you guys think ?

[Pegasus]

Actually the average guys lasts circa 5 min and I have guys onsite regularly who last that amount of time sobing about pre e . So no .

Guys been doing kegels to quash ik onsite for years .

The methods used onsite do work and lots of guys have got over pre e using them .

Long heard about biofeedback looking forward to hearing about your second session.

[forthebest]

Yes true, he just gave me that as an exemple, and to be honest, lasting 5 mins would be a dream.

Yes after reading alot onsite, i know lots of guys have gotten over PreP, but for everyone the reasons are differents, you just have to find the right one.

Will get back to you about the 2nd session, but one thing i find wierd is that he didnt look check at my body, posture or muscles ... maybe through the biofeedback he will be able to get a better look and then check my muscles.

[Pegasus]

I hope this works for you .
Can I ask how much it costs?

[forthebest]

Me too, we will see, in any case i'm alot less stressed out about the PreP thing, when I was doing my routines etc... i work alot so i had to get up early in the morning and then spend an hour at night, so with familly etc I was more stressing out to get the work in... but i still think the work was worth it, finding out about my body and pelvic floors and my pelvic floor is much more relaxed.

No problem, i live in France so i'm lucky to have the security social that takes all pt consultations, doctor, dentists and nearly all types of medicale things free of charge (pax collector pays), of course if their are things more specialised, you can get some money back from your private mutelle and the rest you pay from your pocket.

Edit : if you don't have a ordonnance from the doc, i think it's about 20e a session.

[skyisthelimitpe]

Yes people can have muscular imbalances and still be fine. What the thought is is that certain muscular imbalances causes preE and some cause DE. Some cause nothing at all.

I know from personal experience and from a trainer and from guys on this site that fixing hip mobility and your pelvis results in a healthier pelvic floor and therefore you are able to last longer due to the muscle/mind connection. And everyone here that I’ve seen that posted a posture pic displays those imbalances.

With that being said, ive also read that biofeedback is a valid method of improving PreE, so im not knocking what you’re saying. I’m really interested in seeing how your progress is with this. Hope it works out and keep us updated!

[skyisthelimitpe]

I also want to add, if it’s possible and if ur comfortable, can you post a posture pic ?

[forthebest]

No i totally agree that mucle imbalance for some people couses PreP or DE, i wasn't agreeing or disagreeing with the PT.

When i went to the PT I though he would do a full body check up, because i was sure that the exercises & yoga wasn't working so i was probably doing stretches that were countering other stretches. And then he would correct them and give me new ones and then check my progress with the biofeedback machine, but instead of that he explained what i was saying in my first post and then hooked me up on the machine and explained the theroy and what i had to do.

Yeah when i find a moment i can post a pic.

[skyisthelimitpe]

No i totally agree that mucle imbalance for some people couses PreP or DE, i wasn't agreeing or disagreeing with the PT.

When i went to the PT I though he would do a full body check up, because i was sure that the exercises & yoga wasn't working so i was probably doing stretches that were countering other stretches. And then he would correct them and give me new ones and then check my progress with the biofeedback machine, but instead of that he explained what i was saying in my first post and then hooked me up on the machine and explained the theroy and what i had to do.

Yeah when i find a moment i can post a pic.

Ah gotcha. Yeah in my opinion I think PreE is such a complex process and that's why it's so hard to nail down one reason. I think those with perfect posture and a perfectly balanced body have a relaxed pelvic floor in a lot of different positions because of how flexible the hips and other muscles are. Therefore, there is less tightness, IKs, and less firing of the nervous system that ultimately leads to ejaculation.

So based on what you're telling me about biofeedback I'm thinking its teaching you how to keep a relaxed pelvic floor no matter what by instantly firing against the IKs. And IKs are caused by muscular imbalances. Therefore, both biofeedback and fixing imbalances are valid ways of solving PreE.

Interesting stuff we've got going on here! But yes please post a pic I'm interested

[train4love]

Very interesting... hope it works