Implications

[NP97]

Np, I think the idea is to eliminate unconcious kegal and replace them with concious ones. This increases control for mmo.
The meaning of yang in this concept is spelled out ,so there is no need to believe in anything mystic. We are talking about a neuro muscular action as Panther says.
Pirate and panther both mention issues with intergrating new skills and I think this is valid. However puting this aside for a moment, the concept of muscle imbalance in the pelvic floor, contribituting to premature ejaculation?
if it does ,then alternating kegals are an exercise that will be much practised.

Yes, I agree with that. Although completely eliminating them is quite difficult.

[Pegasus]

Yes np and you already do nearly 50% reverse,have unconcious kegals decreased since you reached this % ?

What has your experience been Pirate?

[DownLow]

Sorry Pegasus, I really have nothing to add though you asked.

I still haven't mastered reverse kegals yet. I tried a couple conscious kegals during sex the other night and really don' t feel that that feeling has happened "unconsciously" before to me.

Having been the wife for 10 years now though, I have found that sex has become more about the experience than the end result, so shoooting off early doesn't happen very often (though not that I have premature ejaculation problems). But once in awhile a sound of hers, or a facial expression will set me off, guess I should practice at being better during that time.

[larrypinball]

I still haven't mastered reverse kegals yet. I tried a couple conscious kegals during sex the other night and really don' t feel that that feeling has happened "unconsciously" before to me.

This might be a bit of topic, sorry about that.

DownLow, you might have gotten advice from the other people in this thread earlier. But the way I found out how to do reverse kegels was standing up during an edging session, as I was coming closer to the PONR I took a deep breath and pretty much did the same lower abdomen and PC muscle movement as I would when taking a dump, but focusing on purely my PC muscles. Result: completely relaxed my PC muscles, but I could still feel my dick getting harder.

Now that I've incorporated reverse kegels into my kegel routine (about 1/3) I find that doing them right after my kegels are easier, because the PC muscles are already filled with blood and isolating (applying Pegasus theory) the "expandable" PC muscles are a lot easier.

[larrypinball]

Pegasus, the theory you guys came up with makes very much sense! Couldn't stop pondering about it, so this may just be me ranting and if I'm not making sense or am off topic let me know.

Thinking a bit more about the imbalance and the "contractable" (kegel) vs. the "expandable" (reverse kegel) PC muscles theory. It seems to me that quite a bit of the muscles used would be the same, meaning that; when we contract the PC muscles using kegels there is a certain percentage of our muscles that contributes to the actual contraction and these are the "contractable" muscles, now when we are expanding the PC muscles using reverse kegels a certain percentage is doing the actual expansion, and it seems only reasonable that a large part of the muscles used are actually activated during both contraction and expansion. This reasoning is based on how I feel my muscles when doing kegels and reverse kegels, and it leads me to believe that the "contractable" and "expandable" muscles are "controllers" in a way - they tell the other muscles what to do and they react accordingly.

It also seems logic to me, since many have problems with the involuntary contractions and spasms, that the "contractable" muscles seems to be the easiest to train and use, maybe the contractive movement feels more natural. Now I don't believe that the contractions actually are more natural, but instead that the imbalance have been created by ourselves (i.e. since our early teens because of rushing masturbation, anxiety for being caught during masturbation or sex, et c.). Those muscles have been neurologically automated and taught to activate themselves when genital touch occur (since they're in a rush). Therefore the "expandable" muscles have become very passive, leading to further imbalance in our "controller" muscles.

Result? We loose control over our PC muscles.

Maybe people who don't suffer from this kind of premature ejaculation have a good balance between the "expandable" and "contractable" PC muscles; they're in a balanced PC muscle state. They work in harmony and balance and most people probably don't need to even think about these things, since the body is doing what it's suppose to be doing and they don't "need" aware control (but I do believe that everyone could benefit from aware balanced PC muscles). So for the rest of us...

Goal? Gain control over our PC muscles, restoring the balance.

Now if this rant is somewhat on track, reverse kegels are an absolute necessity in order to restore the balance. According to me this might not have to do with weak muscles, instead it has to do with regaining control that has been lost; control over both the expandable and contractable "controller" muscles. I believe that regular kegels helps us gain control over our contractable muscles and reverse kegels reactivates the passivated expandable muscles. So depending on how imbalanced one is, the routine needs to be adjusted in terms of regular vs. reverse kegel percentage.

Method? Combination routine of regular and reverse kegels.

Exactly how one should determine the percentage of regular vs. reverse kegels... have no clue as of now. Maybe there's no need for a specific percentage, a 50/50 might be just fine and over time both control and reactivation will be achieved and the body will hopefully balance itself out.

Any thoughts?

[Pegasus]

The opposite imbalance would be delayed ejaculation. So this would be an excess of relaxation (reverse kegal muscles) over focus (kegal muscles). If you think yin and yang, then too much yang would be premature ejac and too much yin would be delayed ejaculation.
The % that maintains balance may be less than 50% reverse, the exact correct % is unknown at this point. It may vary person to person.
However it seems to me that to bring the body into balance in the first place : if one has premature ejac, one should do a high reverse % ,say 50% plus and if one has delayed ejac one should do less ,say 20%.

[Pegasus]

Has anyone else ,experimented with over 50% reverse?

[W.M.P.]

Well I personally never had problems with premature ejaculation; have always been a "marathon man" from the beginning, where I've always had pretty much total control of when (or even if) I cum. For me it has always been about mentally keeping the PONR at arm's length and just reach (and maintain) a state where I can just focus on the deep pleasure and satisfaction that comes from pleasing the woman at will for as long as the occasion permits. However, there's some good info here for me to soak on because I have definitely noticed that every slight increase in girth (accompanied by the constant improvement on EQ) that comes with dedicated jelqing (I kegel pretty much before each and every jelq rep) has brought at times a level of sensitivity so wonderfully intense that it can be quite overwhelming, to the point where I'll just say "Oh just give it up and let the cum flow, for God's sake!"...and allow myself a "quickie of all quickies" after a only a couple of minutes...or sometimes in even within a minute. My ex LOVED it because it gave her the feeling that SHE could please me at will and after one too many marathon-poundings since we started dating, it was quite a thrill for her. Now that I'm single again and I have a renewed hyperfocus on PE, I gotta work on learning those reverse kegels cause I'm surely gonna be making some gains while I'm alone and I wanna make sure that the next girl that comes around can also get those marathon-poundings without any fears of it feeling too damn good for me to last long enough.

[Pegasus]

Good post WMP. So you have always been in balance. Is there some possible suggestion, that you are moving towards an excess of yang through doing kegals? Or have you done reverse also?

[W.M.P.]

Peg

I have never done reverse kegels so this is something I gotta learn cause I'll tell ya'...sometimes my EQ (and the tightness on my pelvic floor, which can feel quite wonderful in & of itself) was such that when I'd go inside my girl, I could feel the friction against the ribbed-surface of her vaginal canal. I mean, I could REALLY feel each and every ripple as I went in and out, especially at the beginning of each romp, were EQ is at throbbing levels. Add to that the gestures, faces, moans and sighs on her part as a result of the intensified tightness, and you have the perfect recipe for blowing a huge load within a relatively short time. Especially in my case, where I have always been able to go for as long as I want, I gotta make sure to take the necessary steps to keep that ability.