"From PE to MMO"- Minuteman's Orgasmic log

**BeatIt** · 12-06-2010

I probably do retro,
but Im not getting any pain like that last time we spoke. When I have orgasm and just FORCE kegel the whole time, I really damage myself.(also I do not ENJOY the orgasm because im focused on squeezing~!!!) By kegeling hard at TPONR I wait until i feel like I wont ejaculate anymore, then slowly release. Try it and after you release LET the spasms occur, just fully relax the pc. you will find that you wont ejaculate, the orgasm will continue with pleasure, at this point I am still experimenting to prolong it without recreating PONR and ejacu;ating, Just now I thought i was gonna ejaculate if i kept going, but probably wouldnt have.

just try to STOP the initial release, then allow the spasms and get back to me

Is retro a bad thing? This seems to be my magic bullet, no pain whatsoever. and this time around my erection held, and after full ejaculation the second time (20 minutes of hard pounding,) i was still hard.

cant wait till the wife gets back from russia,.
gonna be a new man

**Pegasus** · 12-07-2010

Retro has no ill effects that I know of, but most guys only do it as an occasional mistake.

**Minuteman** · 12-07-2010

Hmm, the one potential bad point for retro is that is weakens the muscle or something there that shuts the channel that leads from bladder to urethra. If you do reverse ejaculation too much you might weaken that muscle. I read that somewhere so it isn't 100% certain.

Retro should not be your usual habit. But i'm not too sure that what you have is retro, i will try the thing you recommended when i'm in the mood. Again, if you have a well developed timing and good pelvic floor musles strength you should not feel any pain when having a good clean DO or even partial DO, at least that is how it is for me.

I also think that you are somewhat skipping the emission and going to expulsion (but in this case there is no sperm to squirt your body just do what it does on reflex), like that you are using that hard kegel to interrupt the emission phase all together.

The foundation of regular DO is not allowing the expulsion phase to occur but allows the emission phase (where the sperm is reabsorbed i think). Your version allows the expulsion phase but interrupts emission and still results in DO.... maybe.

Anyway, as i told you the best way to know is to urinate in the cup and observe how clear your urine is, that way you will know for sure is it retro, also just doing it once doesn't proves anything because there might be some leftover sperm from DO in the urethra, so you should try it more time.

The universal law is that if it doesn't hurt it can't be bad, and if it hurts it might be bad (but it doesn't have to be) in this area. But i still don't recommend continuous retro ejaculations.

**Minuteman** · 12-22-2010

Miss me?

Anyway, last night i had a very nice session. It laster around 40 minutes, where 25 minutes where just wave orgasm, then a strong DO, then a brain-exploding ejaculation. Just what i needed

Since i finished a part of my task that i had i felt relief and with relief came the arousal. I didn't masturbate or had any form of practice of anything for around 2 weeks or so.

The new part here is the strong DO then a strong ejaculation. What i noticed is that a thing that helps me regain my hard on after DO is to time the short strong kegel hold just right with the unconscious spasms that occur after dry orgasm, when ever it flexes you turn it to a hold and don't tough the head just stroke the shaft.

I could continue after the first DO but i decided not to since i was getting dizzy and overflown form all that ecstasy, and it was getting late.

The wet orgasm was different this time, it wasn't a chain of little orgasm with every shot, but a two orgasms one after another. One BIG and the other one BIGGER, that last was so strong i almost lost myself for a moment.

The first one was like a regular full body orgasm (i'm not looking down upon it), the other one was like a grenade or TNT exploded in my mind. The feeling was so strong i almost didn't felt anything since my nerves where probably overwhelmed.

Maybe i'm exaggerating (it sounds idiotic to me as i read it) but it really happened that way.

This in a way points out that even if your body is not conditioned (in other words you took a breake) and you felt rolling/wave orgasms at least once in your life you will be able to feel it again (if you are aroused of course) and it doesn't matter if your kegel is strong or weak.

Of course keep in mind that these are yin rolling orgasms (as Pegasus said) and that some people have more affinity for them, i for example am not able to do yang version.

And that, as they say, is that... for now

EDIT:

Forgot to add, when i had a DO i used a bracing technique since my kegels where WEAK. I'm generally against it in the long run, but as an emergency break, as you can see it can be quite helpful.

**Pegasus** · 12-22-2010

Ok for members reading ,note the style of mmo MM used at the begining many would find esoteric and difficult. He is very suited to it however and finds it natural. This style requires less strength. When MM went to a standard dry orgasm he reached out for more kegel strength and used leg and/or ab bracing.

**Pirate** · 12-22-2010

Great thread, MM!

**Minuteman** · 12-23-2010

Thank you. I really do hope that this topic will prove useful to people with premature ejaculation problems and to those that what to become MMO.

**trainingtzr** · 12-24-2010

Sound like you had some really good orgasms Minuteman! Congratz.

I've red a book about MMO and I am also trying to work on having MMO. I'm pretty much into a lot of kegel training. Having dry orgasms has become really easy for me. However, when I try to have MMO and I get my self a DO, my dick still won't go up even if I continue jerking off. If I wait for a moment, let my penis go totally flaccid, and then start to jerk off again, I get my erection back pretty quick. That way im able to have like 4 orgasm in 20 minutes(I tried it). Anyway, it's definitely not MMO since MMO is described that your dick remains erected while you're having a DO. Thats not the case with me. I just loose the arousement and so my erection. Is that a sign that my PC-muscles aren't strong yet or do I need to perform some other kind of technique? I do think my muscles should become way more stronger then they are right now, but I tought maybe you have some sort of technique for this arousement-loose problem after an (dry)orgasm.

Btw, did you ever tried MMO when you were with a girl? Or did anyone else did this? How did that work out?

**Minuteman** · 12-25-2010

Nope didn't, i a virgin, so any questions on partner mmo should be directed to Pegasus.

From what i read here, there is a chance that you have retro ejaculations rather than DO. Usually it is a sign of not having a good technique more thant it is a sign or weak muscles, but for the begginers it is better to have a stronger muscles so that you don't have to rely to much on the technique. Once you have had a good amount of DOs (not retro ejaculations) you body will start to see when does it have to do a kegel and that is when the concentration moves on to the technique rather than strength.

In order to achieve better control, you should try and do the kegels form the list in my signature, that should get you to a good start, while doing them you will see in how many ways you can control that muscle group.

For starters when doing a DO you should have the ability to hold a strong 15-20 sec kegel without reholding. When you get to be more experienced you will be able to lover that time to 10 eve 5 seconds, and with even more practice you should be able to achieve a mmo.

Also note that there is more forms of mmo than just having a do, after a do.

Also:

What i noticed is that a thing that helps me regain my hard on after DO is to time the short strong kegel hold just right with the unconscious spasms that occur after dry orgasm, when ever it flexes you turn it to a hold and don't touch the head just stroke the shaft.

**BeatIt** · 12-26-2010

I want to know what you do about loss of desire after your first dry,
I want to still have that desire the second time around!
i pretty much ave to constantly kegel to stay hard after the first