"From PE to MMO"- Minuteman's Orgasmic log

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* To clarify, I just want a way of being rid of PE once and for all, like anyone else. The burning question which I completely failed to ask is really how I can extend the time between starting stimulation and getting the first of those involuntary PFM contractions in the run-up to the PONR? Thanks again in advance for any suggestions,

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There is no such thing as once for all, it is like saying i like to be build like arnold once for all, if you stop practicing you will regress back.

You can do it by stop and start technique, but changing your grip, your body position, by kegeling hard before ponr. Try also to do the kegel hold (1-3 seconds) at the exact same moment that your do the involuntary contractions, or try doing reverse kegel then kegel, or just reverse kegel.... experiment :)

Try hanging out at ponr more, tease your self :) You might find something interesting there :)

Try ballooning.

To answer your ballooning question. When you are at ponr, stop, pause a little, that with your finger circle SLOWLY where your frenelum (the thing that connect foreskin and the dick), or try lover, make your PFM relax and you will feel strong sensation, but not strong enough to make you cumm (most of the time ) :) If you keep doing it for a longer time you might be able to find something interesting :)

also:
Ballooning - Penis Exercise For Size and Hardness

It never stops to amaze me how much can a body feel pleasure. Last time i had wave orgasms i decided that next time i have them i will go a step higher because there is a point at which i become a little afraid of what lurks beyond, and more directly can my body handle it. I never though i would think in terms of handling pleasure and pleasure roofs. Anyway.

This morning my libido greeted me with open arms in a form of interesting dream/fantasy that i accepted and started the session, that lasted about an hour of which a good 35 minutes where just wave orgasms, starting with a pleasureful intro and a good ejaculation at the end.

Since i have finished one big part of my task that made my libido = 0, and once my mind was in calmer states for some days my libido came back. So as I was having my session i came to the point in wave orgasms that i felt that i should not process further, gathering up my courage i continued the stimulation at the pace that raised my arousal even more. I felt in a way like a was thrown into water, my body was so hot i actually started sweating, which is pretty rare for me. My dick as so lubricated that i was amazed how much liquid can come out. And the pleasure is like an entire new level, i felt it even more, not just like an idea but like an undoubtfull presence. It wasn't as i would have imagine it, as a boom, it was simply stronger yet different not dangerous, simply more.

I am at loss here for i can't describe something like this with words exactly. It is as if full body in my previous descriptions wasn't that full :)

For some reason i stopped the stimulation and when on something for a 3 minutes, by that time my dick was limp and acted like it had dry orgasms. In other words it was a little hard to get it back to the hardness, numb, but in time the sensitivity got back and ejaculated to finish that session.

In conclusion it amazes me, how much human body is capable of, how much there is in one person yet we find out so little, if even that. But it also warns me not to be lost in just one aspect of life. Or better yet not to look at them as the separate things but just an aspect of whole.

The only thing in this session that wasn't "perfect" was the ejaculation part which was a little forced, maybe i should have not done it but hold on the feeling trough the day. But i'm not saying it was terrible or something (i'm not that smug) it did bring a smile on my face for next hour or so, and even now when i think about it, and i don't want to act ungrateful when i am.

But in each of us there is something that is always hungry for more, and a part that is satisfied with the way the things are now. Both of them can be either good or bad. For example the part of you that says "I like the way things are" but when they are rally not (not having a job etc) is when that part acts as bad, since it lack the driving force (i.e. running away from things).

Probably one of the "secrets" to good life is balancing between that two parts of oneself (or more :)), and knowing when to listen them and when not to.

My sessions now are on 3-4 day basis, and almost all result in a soft wave orgasms, last night was no different but it had some added things :)

First of all as i started due to my premature ejaculation "problem" i came to ponr really fast this time, so i wasn't able at first to get into the wave (as it is normally done when performing the soft variation) so i pause and took a deep breaths with my upper lungs, just when you do when you run to much and you gasp for air. With that i did two things, one thing is that i allowed my arousal to spread, another thing is that by doing that i backed off the PONR and at the spot where i usually enter wave orgasms, as i did. Of course all of this was filled with pleasure waves that few months ago would feel like some fairy tail. This wave was one of those where you can drop off easally and after some time i went to PONR and did a clean DO (also with using my other muscles since i don't practice them). Now i did what i would usually do (that work for me) in other words i would turn those unconscious kegels into conscious kegel holds while simulating only the shaft. After some time my arousal returned.

Now, usually at this time i stop, since i find no point moving on, but this time out of curiosity i moved on, and since the first DO (at least for me) is always the strongest and most uncontrollable one, every other was less and less so. And suddenly i was chaining DOs and went into a HARD (typical) wave orgasms! After some time (short time) i was out of it and decided to ejaculate so i can finally go to sleep.

So in conclusion my session was like this START-PREMATURE PONR-BREATH-SOFT WAVE-DO-HARD WAVE-EJACULATION, in other words it was THE most complete session i had. Session lasted around 1h and 15min, of which around 45 (it seems unreal but it isn't) minutes or so i was in soft wave and 3-5 minutes or so in hard wave.

Now i understand why is it called soft and hard. You see, soft wave is like a girls rolling orgasm (at least i think so) there are gentle waves that are like waves are constant but calm (OR AT LEAST CALMER). Hard waves are like strings of powerful DOs, strong hard and crushing. I now know why I am much attuned to the soft version, i simply like it more, i like the gentle constant long waves rather than roaring waves that those hard waves where, it is simply who i am, it depends on a person i guess.

For me hard waves, are very hard to perform and are i thing to powerful for me. I will probably practice them in future but not much as i do soft ones, there are simply my forte.

Of course my hard rolling orgasms where still undeveloped and not well balanced, the balance maybe it would be different.

Now i also see why at the later stadiums one should finish every session with an ejaculation, simply the pleasure is to strong and a mechanism must be there to prevent any potential damage or uneasiness. BUT in the beginning it is good not to end every session with ejaculation simply for the sake of attuning better to the aroused state.

Ironically i now see my over sensitivity more as a blessing than as a "curse".

When i finished my session i felt different now i wasn't feeling that much energized as i felt like after a good meal where you have eaten just enough and still feel just a little hungry at first but then you realize you actually feel full and not overeaten.

Well done, this hard version is what I normally teach, as I think it is more suited to most guys.
As you know I can do soft form, but am more suited to hard.

I read this thread with interest. It's a LOT of information to take in, and personally, I'm literally a week in to making the first progress yet on my six year PE problem, so I'm still experimenting with that first tiny bit of control, and getting all a bit over-excited at the prospect of having an active sex life again. Like you MM I found it relatively easy to control individual muscles in my pelvic floor, such that I could reasonably easily do the huge variety of kegel exercises you posted, but not a lot of reps, and I'm too weak down there still to stumble on experiences like you describe. I could probably write an essay on my experience with PFMs over the last few weeks, but I'll save that for now. Just wanted to say it's been an inspiring read so far. Thanks for sharing :)

Good spanky, this log will be here when you are further along and able to use the info more.

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I read this thread with interest. It's a LOT of information to take in, and personally, I'm literally a week in to making the first progress yet on my six year PE problem, so I'm still experimenting with that first tiny bit of control, and getting all a bit over-excited at the prospect of having an active sex life again. Like you MM I found it relatively easy to control individual muscles in my pelvic floor, such that I could reasonably easily do the huge variety of kegel exercises you posted, but not a lot of reps, and I'm too weak down there still to stumble on experiences like you describe. I could probably write an essay on my experience with PVMs over the last few weeks, but I'll save that for now. Just wanted to say it's been an inspiring read so far. Thanks for sharing :)

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You are welcome. Anyway take it slow (in your pace to be more exact, is what i mean). The most important tools for progressing are observation of your body and its reactions and pleasure in what you do, without that the progress will not be as fast. And be satisfied about ANY no matter how small step, if you lasted a milliseccond longer that is a progress it may sound stupid but believe me that mindset was something that helped me big time, and listen to Pegasus, he is one with definitely most experience in MMO stuff around here.

Also i recommend making your own log and writing your stuff there, so that you can have it all in one place so that when you reread it you will be able to see what you did wrong, or be reminded that you had some pretty good progress, it is both a log and a big motivational tool for both you and the people who read it.

Good luck.

I'm glad I started to read this again - I can relate far more to your experiences here now after some weeks practice and some new experiences.
(edit: just noticed Pegasus' comment 146 - Touché)

Post 17 interests me greatly though. I was edging today and going well. But after 20 minutes or so I started getting rushes across my body, a little like you get from a cold shiver or a tickle (even like MDMA), but repeating and gradually increasing in intensity, and I suddenly had to really concentrate to slow my breathing. I was immediately reminded of some things I'd read in this thread of your early experience and thinking I was on to something started trying desperately to keep it escalating.

Thing is I couldn't keep them up, even though I kept up stimulation. After 3 or 4 rushes, each stronger than the last, it basically stopped, and I couldn't keep it going long enough to obtain the sort of experience you describe. That's why I'm here again, reading through, bumping as I go.

This is a new experience for me, perhaps because I'm more aware of it now, perhaps because I'm using kegels during edging now rather than just performing them, but very pleasurable nonetheless. Was I on the edge of wave orgasm here you think?

And if so, any tips for sustaining it? It all seemed rather elusive.

Having read more I'm starting to think now that I was on the edge of something great there - I just couldn't keep it rising enough to tip the balance.

I'm not experienced enough to know if I'm describing it right, but if hard wave MMO is DO after DO with contractions and the like, and soft wave is the rushes I started to get today emanating from my lower chest and pelvis outwards with increasing intensity I think I prefer the idea of soft wave.

I think that's probably a more powerful, maybe even spiritual experience to share with a girl too.... just my opinion.

Perhaps also it's for the same reason you said up there in comment 143 that hard wave is (or seems) a lot more difficult, and I, like yourself, am starting from a place of tackling PE first and foremost, so the idea of actually submitting to hard wave should it be available seems quite intimidating.

Ok spanky, the act of concentrating on trying to maintain soft wave probably knocked you out of it. You have to allow the flow of soft wave. Hard wave is more something you make happen. Anyway will be interested to see what MM has to say.